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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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so on this week's episode of the para

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cast with Gene and Chris we honor the

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passing of a major figure in UFO

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research by the name of button Hopkins

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but Hopkins was someone who had spent

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many years gaining fame fortune

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I don't know as an abstract artist is

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passing as a result of liver cancer and

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other problems was noted by a large bio

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an obituary in The New York Times know

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and you think someone who is considered

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prominent in UFO research meriting that

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it was a pretty fair article as a matter

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of fact they mention his artistic

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background how he got involved in UFO

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abduction research and some of the

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conclusions he'd reached now I have to

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tell you I didn't know but Hopkins all

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that well he spent on the para cast I

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guess three or four times I do know that

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he was ill the last couple of times he

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was on the show I did as a courtesy

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excise all the coughing he did when he

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was talking he would frequently break

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into bouts of coughing I didn't want to

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do that to him you know so I cleaned up

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the recording and just out of respect

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whether you agree with him or not I

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never met him I talked to him on the

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phone once or twice exchanged some

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correspondence that was about it didn't

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have a chance to meet him in person and

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you know when the intruders foundation

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became active in New York City I was

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already living and after part of the

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world didn't have an opportunity but

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Chris you had met but Hopkins from time

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to time over the years you know at

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various conferences I would you know sit

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down and speak with the I'm usually you

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know with other groups of people I never

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had any one-on-one time with him but one

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thing that I always noticed that he was

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just such a graceful guy and just just a

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real gentleman he he just had an aura of

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of just being a nice guy and it's it's

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real difficult to

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agree with someone in terms of the whole

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abduction phenomenon of course I have

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major reservations about we you know the

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whole subject and of course the they

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often mentioned hypnotic regression

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scenario but one thing that I I must say

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is Budd was just very just an easygoing

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guy very sweet very funny

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had a twinkle in his eye and in just he

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I could see why so many people who he

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helped over the years hundreds and

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hundreds of people really fell in love

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with the guy just because he was he was

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just such a calming presence I think in

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their lives and and just was able to

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really help people and the one thing

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that you cannot take away I don't care

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what you think about the abduction

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phenomenon you cannot take away the fact

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that Budd Hopkins helped hundreds of

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people go through you know regardless of

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what you think they went through I think

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these people did experience legitimate

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trauma in their lives and Budd was there

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for it and he's gonna be very missed in

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in the field and and I must say I was I

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was very impressed with Leslie Keens

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ability to kind of soldier on a couple

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of shows back and and you know she was

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able to get through this latest round of

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interviews you know being very very

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close to but of course as many of our

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listeners know you know he was going

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into hospice right about the time that

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we we were talking with her and you know

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again I can't wait to do a roundtable

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and bring some of his closest friends on

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the show and and learn more about this

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this giant in the field really and

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another sad note that I was informed of

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this week was the the impending hospice

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care of Alicia's Farish Lucius Farish

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yeah yeah

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years and years ago nice guy he's also

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he's not really doing well of course

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blue was the originator of the infamous

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Eureka Springs conference every every

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April my favorite conference is out of

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all that I've attended over the years I

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I think four or five years in a row you

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know he course he had the UFO news

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clipping service for many years which

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was an invaluable aid to researchers and

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investigators such as myself prior to

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the Internet but it's just really sad

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we're seeing you know a lot of the old

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guard is are starting to check out and

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and we need to we need to acknowledge to

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the incredible amount of work and

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presence that many of these individuals

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brought to the field it's unfortunate I

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think that but Hopkins in his final

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months on this planet came under

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criticism from an ex-spouse and we

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understand that anytime you get involved

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with marriages and divorces things get

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emotional but I also understand that

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nobody is free of legitimate criticism

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you know the methodology of

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investigating abductions is

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controversial some people do not believe

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in hypnotic regression I know they also

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some of these abduction researchers they

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do some of their sessions by telephone

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and I have concerns about that

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personally but how could you possibly

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examine someone's reactions if you

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hypnotized them by telephone the problem

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is that people like a Budd Hopkins or

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dr. David Jacobs they get involved

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because professional mental health

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therapists are only available in a

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limited capacity so they're trying to

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fill the gaps laymen trying to fill the

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gaps because professionals will never go

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in that direction some do some advise

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these people I think the only way to

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really judge the worth of what these

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people are doing and have done is to

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actually look at the research look at

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the methodology let's discuss the

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methods let's find better methods if

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people are being impacted negatively as

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a part of these examinations for

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possible abductions okay we've got to

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stop that we've got to fix it but we

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can't fix the problems by screaming at

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each other by writing hate material by

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expressing hate lured rumors that kind

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of thing that doesn't help us get to the

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bottom of UFO abductions I mean just as

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an example Chris and I made a couple of

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about someone involved in one of the

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abduction controversies maybe like two

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remarks there have been thousands and

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thousands of words written about those

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two remarks criticizing demonizing

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myself and Chris because of an offhanded

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comment I thought it was you is actually

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me that's right you know they're not

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going to apologize for this but how can

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you solve the problem if all you do is

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scream and yell at people no and I'm not

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going to answer them I've answered them

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a little bit with a little bit of what I

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hope is logic and reason agree or

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disagree but if they can't just sit back

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take a deep breath and look over the

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situation and realize there are lots of

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people around the world who have been

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profoundly hurt profoundly damaged by

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having an abduction related experience

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we've got to find out why we are not

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going to find out why if all we see is

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screaming and yelling and charges and

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counter-charges

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and this doesn't mean I support

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anybody's methods I think I've said on

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the show and in the forums that I don't

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necessarily buy some of the methods that

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are used but they're trying let's find

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the best way to figure out why people

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claim they're abducted if it is et is it

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out of our control we're going to

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explore this question on future episodes

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of the power cast we're even planning an

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abduction roundtable to completely

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discuss the issue today however we

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Segway we segue to a UFO 40 and

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researcher name of Andrew Calvin he's

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author of a book called Mothman speaks

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tell us more why Andy yeah I don't know

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I haven't met Andy I'm looking forward

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to this this show because I wanted to

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meet and talk with him for some time

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since hearing him on Greg Bishop show

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and he grew up in the Point Pleasant

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region there of the Ohio River Valley

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and has for many years been fascinated

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with the whole Mothman scenario and he's

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uncovered some very

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interesting information relating to

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high-tech industry in the area and and

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he's really done quite a bit of deep

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research into this whole scenario and I

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think our listeners are gonna learn a

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lot today we were just alerted to the

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fact that andrew has a brand new UFO

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sighting to report on to the minute

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information believe it with photographs

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yeah I'm waiting for this this happened

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this past weekend so as far as we know

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nobody else knows about this case you're

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gonna hear it first so the guest is

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Andrew Calvin the book is the Mothman

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speaks I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host is

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Chris O'Brien you're in the para cast

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about the Mothman case about those other

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Prophecies of course in the Silver

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short time before we began to do this

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segment of the para cast Andrew that you

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had a UFO sighting this past weekend

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what can you tell us about it well it

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was stunning the only thing I've ever

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seen before was an or I guess it was a

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surveillance drone or something flying

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out of Burbank which I've blogged about

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I believe it's on there which was just a

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white object in the daytime look like

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those things that I've heard that police

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they use for surveillance and things but

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this was completely different and it

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really fits the some of the descriptions

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we've heard in the past going back to

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the the Keele days where you have a UFO

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that's changing shape colors if we first

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saw it it was just after dusk we were

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camping up the top of Stevens Pass at

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the Great Lakes and I noticed the

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satellite going over but it started cigs

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agging was with two other guys my son

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was asleep in the tent and they looked

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at it and they're like wow you're right

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they both work at Boeing so they know

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aircraft oh my god can't be a normal

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satellite and it passed all the way

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across the sky without Laura over the

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North Cascades I was thinking I started

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thinking about the Naval Station

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because that was where I'd wanted to go

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to camp they wanted to go there this

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other place because there was fish so it

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kind of disappeared over there then we

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talked about it for a while and then

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they started getting ready to go to bed

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and then bingo I looked over there and

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it was back again looked like it was

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coming back toward us much brighter and

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then it stopped and we all watched it

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got out our binoculars I got the camera

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out took a bunch of shots and when I

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started looking at the photos I was just

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amazed because it's changing shape it's

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going from one object to several it

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would do a pinwheel or the you'd have a

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string of Lights and then they would

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spin and I put I put photos up on my

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blog it's 14 in the West

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frrt ans W est comm click on Washington

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State you'll see them there and at times

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it looks like I really like the one

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toward the end that looks like an atom

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it looks like all the electrons in an

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atom in one circular formation we could

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moving around though but until we look

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at the photos it couldn't really see

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just how you know dramatic it was yeah

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the fist shot looks like a string of

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multicolored Christmas lights I mean

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there's green red blue there's

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everything in there that's amazing we

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should remind our listeners how they can

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see these pictures so would you describe

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specifically how to get on your site

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Andrew so our listeners can check the

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updates

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yeah it's called that site it's called

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lo-fi League of western 40 an

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intermediate ists I guess if you put in

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lo-fi you would find it but it's

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probably easy just to do 40 nones West

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named after charles fort and that's one

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word.com

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and you can see all the different when

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you go to the main page you'll see all

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the different states in the West and

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each state has a director and I'm the

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director of the Washington State area so

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if you click on Washington State and see

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my stuff click on the California you'll

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see right leas Southern California is

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Skylar who started the site and

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some others you know there's New Mexico

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which is Leslie Connors territory and I

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think Regan Lee has Oregon so those are

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all people to do good posts about

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different paranormal things that are

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yeah you've got some good some good

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investigators on there it's a great it's

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a great site I don't think it's that

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well-known yet it's not commercial

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we don't have ads and stuff so it's good

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for people to just want to check stuff

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out without having to be deal with the

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you know ads and stuff cool all right

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well I get I guess I have a new side I

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get to go diving into and checking I see

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Ken Thomas Tim Buckley Nick's on there

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and Nick Redfern and Anthony person's

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bragged stager wow this you got quite a

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list there this is a new resource for

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all our listeners out there dive in

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folks and take some notes any other

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details about the sighting that we ought

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to know before we go on to Mothman no

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there's nothing strange happened we were

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expecting a Bigfoot to come across and

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you were saying earlier that our jeanne

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was saying is where am I talking to Jane

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I've got I'm getting you guys confused

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yeah was Chris and it my brother my

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brother had quite an amazing encounter

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at the same area okay yeah you were

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saying that near gold bar and we drive

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through there on the way to Stevens Pass

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right just down the hill you know you

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know it's a real it's a real hotbed area

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for Bigfoot sightings

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also UFO type reports some pretty

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interesting little people type sightings

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that have been reported in the area and

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strange kind of crypto animals oversized

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animals of course I grew up in

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Washington State area further south more

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towards Maori near but I have spent

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quite a bit of time in fact I've hiked

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that entire Pacific Crest Crest Trail

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section between Snoqualmie and Stevens

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Pass and boy I'll tell you that's

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remote area they're not easy that's

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that's major mountain territory and you

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have to watch out for her bears and all

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kinds in hypothermia we got caught in a

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sleet storm and the top a Dutch Miller

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gap we'll never forget that was very

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very scary yeah I've been up there and

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that's that is we actually I I was

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camping with some guys we were I was

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with a guy who was a Buddhist monk who

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really believed he had grown up in in

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Seattle and he he really believed in

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Bigfoot and he kept saying we shouldn't

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sleep at the opening of this mineshaft

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it was a horizontal mine shaft going

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into the mountain because this is where

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Bigfoot

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you know hangs out and I was credulous

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and we're so I went ahead and slept

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there and he regressing lee slept there

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because it was the only flat place there

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was and then in the middle of the night

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we heard a ping of a rock coming down

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and he goes he just grabbed me and said

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jump in and we jumped in the hole of the

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mine and then a rockslide came down it

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would have killed us I mean we literally

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escaped death by a couple of seconds and

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Wow

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he swore that it was a Bigfoot that had

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done it he was very spooked and we left

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in the morning but you know it was kind

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of hairy there for a while we didn't

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know what was going on yeah even if

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you've been injured that's not a part of

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the world that you want to be

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incapacitated in yeah he later he later

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died and and a friend of mine saw his

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ghost in her house in Ohio that's

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Harriet who figures prominently in the

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Mothman speaks she wrote a bunch of

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letters starting about ten years ago

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after 9/11 I realized that there had

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been a prophecy at nine-one-one the

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Mothman had imparted to someone and then

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I had been able to participate in well

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whoa okay this is the point where we

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should have a cliffhanger a perfect

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cliff hanger Mothman and 9/11 Andrew

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Calvin is our guests he's author of the

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Mothman speaks the co-host is Chris

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O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

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this is Jacques Vallee you're listening

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to the podcast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio we're back with Andrew

627
00:27:25,649 --> 00:27:20,589
Calvin the book is called the Mothman

628
00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:25,659
speaks Andrew what does the Mothman say

629
00:27:33,709 --> 00:27:30,909
or what did he or it say about 9/11 well

630
00:27:37,289 --> 00:27:33,719
all I can say is that I had a friend who

631
00:27:41,459 --> 00:27:37,299
lived in this house next to Harriet

632
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:41,469
actually and he said the Mothman had

633
00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:45,849
been visiting him and also aliens and

634
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:49,779
flying saucer apparently and he said

635
00:27:54,509 --> 00:27:52,089
that there was we were we were all we

636
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:54,519
were fascinated with outer space and he

637
00:27:58,229 --> 00:27:57,369
said in in the year and so sometimes we

638
00:28:00,539 --> 00:27:58,239
were talking about well what do you

639
00:28:02,879 --> 00:28:00,549
think's life's gonna be like in 2001 do

640
00:28:04,199 --> 00:28:02,889
you think we'll have jetpacks and that

641
00:28:06,899 --> 00:28:04,209
sort of thing which I think a lot of

642
00:28:08,969 --> 00:28:06,909
kids back then talked about he goes yeah

643
00:28:11,509 --> 00:28:08,979
but there's going to be an attack in New

644
00:28:15,779 --> 00:28:11,519
York City the Mothman told me about and

645
00:28:18,329 --> 00:28:15,789
I was just skeptical and he said but I

646
00:28:19,979 --> 00:28:18,339
can show you you can see the vision that

647
00:28:24,239 --> 00:28:19,989
he showed me if you stand in this

648
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:24,249
particular spot in our yard and he took

649
00:28:27,659 --> 00:28:25,809
me to that spot and we stood there and

650
00:28:31,199 --> 00:28:27,669
we held hands and the minute he grabbed

651
00:28:33,959 --> 00:28:31,209
my hand I saw this very short vision of

652
00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:33,969
tall buildings exploding give us a time

653
00:28:40,139 --> 00:28:36,190
frame when when did he had his vision

654
00:28:42,539 --> 00:28:40,149
how long ago it was in 1967 I had

655
00:28:44,909 --> 00:28:42,549
thought I had seen Mothman or something

656
00:28:48,629 --> 00:28:44,919
flying over our car right around

657
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:48,639
Christmas 1966

658
00:28:54,419 --> 00:28:51,369
Mothman was or the Birdman as they call

659
00:28:56,579 --> 00:28:54,429
it was in the newspaper and we had heard

660
00:28:58,019 --> 00:28:56,589
about it now it's fascinated with it and

661
00:29:00,359 --> 00:28:58,029
then one night I got this creepy feeling

662
00:29:04,229 --> 00:29:00,369
that somehow Mothman was going to visit

663
00:29:06,449 --> 00:29:04,239
me and I saw dark shadow flying over our

664
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:06,459
car it was dusk and we were going to the

665
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:08,049
bowling alley and I said something to my

666
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,569
dad and he mumbles he got mad and

667
00:29:13,739 --> 00:29:11,919
mumbled something about the government I

668
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,749
think he thought I had seen a UFO and

669
00:29:16,419 --> 00:29:14,720
maybe he

670
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:16,429
worked at carbide now we'll often wonder

671
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:19,010
if he didn't know something like they

672
00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:21,289
were building something there and he

673
00:29:26,140 --> 00:29:22,900
thought I had maybe seen that and was

674
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,150
upset that people were being messed with

675
00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:28,960
or you know believing in

676
00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:32,270
extraterrestrials or whatever but uh and

677
00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:35,000
sometime after that Tommy who starts

678
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:36,440
saying the Mothman was coming to visit

679
00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:38,570
him and I just thought he was trying to

680
00:29:41,710 --> 00:29:39,350
one-up me

681
00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:41,720
you know like since I had kind of seen

682
00:29:46,510 --> 00:29:44,600
something he I thought he was because he

683
00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:46,520
was very competitive he was very smart

684
00:29:53,770 --> 00:29:50,750
he was a genius 170 on the genius scale

685
00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:53,780
so that's one reason I didn't believe

686
00:29:58,899 --> 00:29:56,750
him and then when I saw that vision I

687
00:30:01,330 --> 00:29:58,909
was so frightened by it that we didn't

688
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:01,340
we sort of fell out had a falling out

689
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,110
and he moved away about a year later he

690
00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:08,000
started thinking he was a vampire and a

691
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:10,600
warlock and he bit somebody on the neck

692
00:30:14,919 --> 00:30:13,070
which strangely enough I just heard a

693
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:14,929
story about a guy last week who pits

694
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:18,730
somebody in the neck in Texas I believe

695
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:23,090
my shows yeah nowadays yeah you don't

696
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:25,970
know there's so much of this junk in the

697
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:28,610
media that maybe they watched too many

698
00:30:33,549 --> 00:30:31,730
episodes of True Blood yeah well back

699
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:33,559
then we didn't have any I don't think

700
00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:37,039
we'd seen even seeing Dracula the movie

701
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:38,840
there was probably only what a couple of

702
00:30:46,659 --> 00:30:43,700
movies back then the original Dracula

703
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:46,669
movie came out a 1931 based on a

704
00:30:50,590 --> 00:30:49,010
Broadway play that's the classic one

705
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:50,600
with Bela Lugosi that everybody of

706
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:54,130
course is made into an icon the iconic

707
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:56,330
accent and everything and the appearance

708
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,200
of Dracula

709
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:58,880
dates from don't forget about Nosferatu

710
00:31:05,289 --> 00:31:02,720
Genting 1920 something just an original

711
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:05,299
well Andy before we get too far into the

712
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:08,090
show here I'd really like you to kind of

713
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:10,250
give our listeners a sense of what it

714
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:13,250
was like growing up during the Mothman

715
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:15,500
or Birdman flap and you were right there

716
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:16,970
in that region why don't you give us a

717
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:19,750
little background on on your involvement

718
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:23,030
where you lived in proximity to the

719
00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:25,130
events that were reported and kind of

720
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:26,929
give our listeners a sense of being a

721
00:31:33,229 --> 00:31:27,330
low

722
00:31:36,019 --> 00:31:33,239
in a place like that well yeah it was it

723
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:36,029
was great actually I mean I I just

724
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:39,090
thought this bird man flying around was

725
00:31:44,779 --> 00:31:42,360
was awesome and and I don't know it's

726
00:31:47,419 --> 00:31:44,789
that's the inexplicable part of this

727
00:31:50,299 --> 00:31:47,429
it's like why did I feel like I had some

728
00:31:52,009 --> 00:31:50,309
connection to it or that he was coming

729
00:31:55,879 --> 00:31:52,019
to visit and then why you know and then

730
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,889
I have friends and Harriet too saying

731
00:32:03,259 --> 00:31:58,799
that they had seen it and whatever like

732
00:32:05,239 --> 00:32:03,269
we have like six people it saw Mothman

733
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:05,249
in the same spot and and I lived in

734
00:32:10,249 --> 00:32:07,590
mound which is basically North

735
00:32:14,749 --> 00:32:10,259
Charleston West Virginia which great

736
00:32:17,539 --> 00:32:14,759
Barker mentions in Silver Bridge it's a

737
00:32:21,349 --> 00:32:17,549
short drive just about 45 minutes from

738
00:32:23,479 --> 00:32:21,359
Point Pleasant you have to drive it's on

739
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:23,489
the Kanawha River which is upriver from

740
00:32:29,539 --> 00:32:26,220
Point Pleasant Point Pleasant is where

741
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:29,549
the Kanawha River runs into the Ohio and

742
00:32:35,769 --> 00:32:31,850
Mothman was first seen on the Elk River

743
00:32:39,529 --> 00:32:35,779
which runs into the canal in Charleston

744
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,539
and he was seen in clendenon first which

745
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:41,840
is where the First Union Carbide

746
00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:45,440
petrochemical plant was located and I

747
00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:48,299
think I have some pictures on my blog of

748
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:52,350
the cemetery although maybe I've just

749
00:32:56,899 --> 00:32:53,970
done that on pace but Facebook is the

750
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:56,909
place where I do a lot of you know

751
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,340
one-off photos and things of stuff

752
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:02,399
that's happening on a daily basis so but

753
00:33:06,649 --> 00:33:04,529
I do mean I am meaning to get some shots

754
00:33:10,009 --> 00:33:06,659
of that Cemetery up on the blog but it

755
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:10,019
was a fascinating time and my

756
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:13,289
neighborhood was really I think the

757
00:33:18,739 --> 00:33:15,690
second hot spot most people are familiar

758
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:18,749
with Point Pleasant but this area that I

759
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,080
lived in called Woodward drives comes

760
00:33:28,369 --> 00:33:25,679
out Pat it dumps out at the Kanawha

761
00:33:30,259 --> 00:33:28,379
River where the blaine island is and

762
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:30,269
that was an I believe it was one bird

763
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,840
effigy mound at one time but it now has

764
00:33:37,340 --> 00:33:35,580
you know a big chemical plant built over

765
00:33:39,779 --> 00:33:37,350
it and they mowed down the mounds and

766
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:41,450
chemical plants and it's a naval

767
00:33:50,369 --> 00:33:47,710
reservation and wood or drive so the

768
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,379
mouth of wood bird drive was once one of

769
00:33:56,489 --> 00:33:53,200
the most sacred Indian Mound areas and

770
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:56,499
oldest areas in the country that that

771
00:34:01,109 --> 00:33:59,679
River Valley the Kanawha connects not

772
00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:01,119
only connects to the algorithm it

773
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:03,820
connects to the new River which is the

774
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:08,020
oldest valley in North America and I

775
00:34:12,359 --> 00:34:09,970
think it's the only I've heard it's the

776
00:34:15,329 --> 00:34:12,369
only the second river other than the

777
00:34:17,970 --> 00:34:15,339
Nile that flows from south to north in

778
00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:17,980
the northern hemisphere so it's a very

779
00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:20,740
old area the canal was once called the

780
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,379
river of death by the Indians or there's

781
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:25,839
other interpretations that it's it's

782
00:34:33,299 --> 00:34:29,049
where you pass into the afterlife there

783
00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:33,309
were some Egyptian type earthworks in

784
00:34:38,789 --> 00:34:36,460
Charleston as well like big circles that

785
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,799
would perfectly fit the Great Pyramid

786
00:34:42,899 --> 00:34:41,200
into them there was one that was six

787
00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:42,909
hundred and sixty-six feet around and

788
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:46,179
one that was 555 feet around there were

789
00:34:53,099 --> 00:34:49,569
lots of petroglyphs large skeletons

790
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:53,109
found in the mounds some like eight feet

791
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:58,069
it's possible that these were Egyptian

792
00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:01,500
type tribes that maybe had come from

793
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:08,200
from Europe prior to the Indians that's

794
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:10,180
I cover a lot of that in the Mothman

795
00:35:16,890 --> 00:35:13,540
photographer three book which is more

796
00:35:20,309 --> 00:35:16,900
looking into the lore of the ancient

797
00:35:25,170 --> 00:35:20,319
lore and sort of mystical spiritual

798
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:25,180
aspects the Thunderbird piazza bird the

799
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,049
bird man thing is found all over the

800
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:31,599
world different cultures and I it was

801
00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:34,210
just my feeling that and the Garuda is

802
00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:37,030
there is another one and Keele you know

803
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:39,460
subtitled the Mothman Prophecies with

804
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:42,609
the Garuda you know that it was possibly

805
00:35:48,809 --> 00:35:45,609
the appearance of the feathery Garuda so

806
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:48,819
my my feeling was if you look at perhaps

807
00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:50,440
by looking at these ancient legends we

808
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:53,380
can figure out more about what law

809
00:36:00,300 --> 00:35:56,650
man was and he does those prophecies do

810
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:00,310
seem to to be Garuda like in that there

811
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ways to avert tragedy fight crimes of

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different sorts particularly those

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involving children that site where we

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had that 911 one one vision was next to

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where a school had burned down and

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killed a couple of kids and if that was

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an arson situation then it could be a

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thing where Mothman wanted to sort of

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reveal you know what had happened who

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had done it perhaps I'll tell you what

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Andrew will picked up on this in our

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next segment

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Andrew Calvin is our guest on the parent

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cast with Jean and Chris the book is the

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Mothman speaks but there's a subtitle

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that takes about three years to read I'm

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going to ask him to read that subtitle

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[Music]

927
00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:08,269
this is the skirt 17 author of us on

928
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this reading of this meaning to the park

929
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has the power cast with Jean and Chris

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00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:18,470
and Andrew Calvin author of a book

931
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called the Mothman speaks with a lengthy

932
00:41:28,229 --> 00:41:26,029
subtitle Andrew read the subtitle I'm

933
00:41:30,819 --> 00:41:28,239
glad I got a copy of the book here I

934
00:41:34,539 --> 00:41:30,829
could read that because I would never

935
00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:34,549
remember remember that otherwise it's a

936
00:41:39,089 --> 00:41:37,430
it's candid conversations concerning

937
00:41:44,529 --> 00:41:39,099
cosmic conundrums

938
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:44,539
- cryptic creatures chimeras contactees

939
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:47,680
and the cleverly coded coincidences and

940
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:50,059
correspondences of the collective

941
00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:54,400
unconscious lot of seas there mr. Colvin

942
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,140
well let me ask you a quick question

943
00:42:02,380 --> 00:41:59,839
though which i think is more to the

944
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:02,390
point here we have the book the Mothman

945
00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:03,170
Prophecies

946
00:42:10,359 --> 00:42:07,400
we have the book the Silver Bridge going

947
00:42:11,319 --> 00:42:10,369
from one to the other what do they fail

948
00:42:13,509 --> 00:42:11,329
to tell us

949
00:42:15,609 --> 00:42:13,519
are they misleading now the Silver

950
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:15,619
Bridge we don't take literally that's a

951
00:42:21,249 --> 00:42:19,400
parable I guess about the Mothman is

952
00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:21,259
that correct yeah obviously

953
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:23,630
yeah Barker is trying to get into the

954
00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:26,329
mindset of different players that may

955
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:27,190
have been there

956
00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:31,569
there's the recorder the sort of a I

957
00:42:35,950 --> 00:42:34,220
don't know if he's a spy or what but

958
00:42:38,259 --> 00:42:35,960
yeah there's a couple of chapters where

959
00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:38,269
he pretends to be Mothman and tries to

960
00:42:43,989 --> 00:42:41,269
get in the head of Mothman and he tries

961
00:42:48,249 --> 00:42:43,999
to understand the feelings of a young

962
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:48,259
boy who is experiencing strange things

963
00:42:54,940 --> 00:42:52,910
involving Mothman he talks about some of

964
00:42:56,349 --> 00:42:54,950
the different weird men in black what

965
00:43:00,279 --> 00:42:56,359
they may have been up to

966
00:43:02,650 --> 00:43:00,289
yeah it's definitely a parable just you

967
00:43:04,420 --> 00:43:02,660
know one of the he talks about Ingrid

968
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,430
cold flying around in the saucer and I

969
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:06,319
was very skeptical about it first

970
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:08,569
until then you know more recent when we

971
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:10,609
found out more about the Nazi UFOs and

972
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:12,249
maybe it's possible that they actually

973
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:15,550
you know we're building these

974
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:20,330
newer versions in in the TNT area and

975
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:21,710
maybe you know there really wants

976
00:43:26,050 --> 00:43:23,870
somebody flying around in a some kind of

977
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:26,060
drone craft and it sort of seems like

978
00:43:31,780 --> 00:43:29,330
the UFO field is that was what the

979
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:31,790
cover-up was all about you know it's not

980
00:43:36,070 --> 00:43:33,710
that they're going to disclose aliens is

981
00:43:38,830 --> 00:43:36,080
that they're you know they didn't want

982
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:38,840
to disclose that they had some good

983
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:40,640
technology that could be developed like

984
00:43:47,110 --> 00:43:43,730
the drones were seeing today and the men

985
00:43:50,770 --> 00:43:47,120
in black seemed to be guys who were

986
00:43:54,460 --> 00:43:50,780
trying to keep that under wraps qu'il

987
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:54,470
mentions that if you were an ET thesis

988
00:44:00,970 --> 00:43:59,090
person you were much safer you probably

989
00:44:03,250 --> 00:44:00,980
wouldn't be visited by the men in black

990
00:44:05,380 --> 00:44:03,260
but if you thought they were terrestrial

991
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:05,390
then you definitely would be targeted so

992
00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:06,970
I think that says a lot

993
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:11,600
okay the men in black are based on what

994
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:14,810
you expect them to be no they they just

995
00:44:20,890 --> 00:44:17,660
seemed like they were their job was to

996
00:44:23,790 --> 00:44:20,900
keep this drone development under wraps

997
00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:23,800
and anybody that inverting lease all one

998
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:26,870
who wasn't supposed to see one because

999
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,380
some of those contactees I were set up

1000
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to to sort of present a controlled

1001
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:37,510
version I think of what was happening

1002
00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:41,930
but if you're not a designated he

1003
00:44:46,810 --> 00:44:44,990
contact D and you and you had something

1004
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,820
to say that might blow the cover then

1005
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they would come after you photograph

1006
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:50,510
your house give you intimidating phone

1007
00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:53,450
calls tamper with you mail and in some

1008
00:44:59,230 --> 00:44:56,150
cases kill you because that was in the

1009
00:45:00,910 --> 00:44:59,240
late sixties that was what you know

1010
00:45:03,580 --> 00:45:00,920
that's if you look at those old saucer

1011
00:45:05,650 --> 00:45:03,590
news articles you'll see that a lot of

1012
00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:05,660
people were terrified of being murdered

1013
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:08,660
by the men in black no okay so the word

1014
00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:10,760
set up does that mean the government is

1015
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:13,460
setting up people to have UFO sightings

1016
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:16,610
or contacts yeah I think I think we have

1017
00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:18,290
some cases like Howard mingori

1018
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:23,150
eventually came out and said yes now I

1019
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:25,250
know about this one ladies and gentlemen

1020
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:28,440
because when Howard minzer

1021
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:32,339
actually first kind of backtracked on

1022
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:36,000
his contacts he made an appearance on a

1023
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:38,250
Long John Apple TV show this was a

1024
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:40,470
short-lived program long John never

1025
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:43,290
translated the TV I thought he was

1026
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:44,730
pretty good at it but he never

1027
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,210
translated a TV he was great on radio so

1028
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,160
manger comes on one time and he's kind

1029
00:45:53,780 --> 00:45:51,839
of saying well you know maybe I was

1030
00:45:56,839 --> 00:45:53,790
being mislead here or something

1031
00:46:00,559 --> 00:45:56,849
I think Long John flipped and then not

1032
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:00,569
long thereafter major and I and Jim

1033
00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:03,569
Mosely had lunch at a diner in New York

1034
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:06,060
City and he said he thought that he was

1035
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:10,140
the victim of government agents who made

1036
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:13,430
him think he was being contacted by et

1037
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:15,780
some suggest the same thing might have

1038
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:18,540
been true with George Adamski others

1039
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:19,890
saying that George Adamski was a

1040
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:21,990
disinformation agent that somehow he was

1041
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,650
using his contacts for what so you

1042
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:27,599
follow you think that mender may have

1043
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:31,250
been the victim of this disinformation

1044
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:33,810
yeah I mean that's that's basically what

1045
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:35,490
he said he kind of said he went along

1046
00:46:43,099 --> 00:46:40,530
with it that they had told him to

1047
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:43,109
conflate you know make the story a

1048
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:44,970
little more wild you know say that he

1049
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:50,990
went to Venus or whatever yeah it's very

1050
00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:57,690
it's very difficult to ascertain how the

1051
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,770
different the different ways they were

1052
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:01,020
messing with people they're very they're

1053
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:04,890
very cagey and but yeah I mean I think

1054
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:07,230
there's lots of cases where it looks

1055
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:13,440
like these contactees you know maybe it

1056
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:17,130
started out where they were just they

1057
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:19,410
thought they've been visited and I think

1058
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:20,609
that was the case with woody derenberger

1059
00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:23,160
who's our famous contactee from West

1060
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:26,790
Virginia who met Indrid cold who

1061
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:31,410
everyone assumed was a spaceman but you

1062
00:47:36,859 --> 00:47:32,940
know it's actually more like a man in

1063
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:36,869
black and woody in Woody's book visitors

1064
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:39,300
from Angelo's he basically comes out and

1065
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:41,180
says that he he thinks in

1066
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:44,210
it was just another man in black and

1067
00:47:48,970 --> 00:47:46,490
then we found later we found just in the

1068
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:48,980
past few months that guys like

1069
00:47:53,859 --> 00:47:51,650
fredchristman were checking out

1070
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:53,869
derenberger and kruseman you know was

1071
00:47:58,290 --> 00:47:56,089
involved in the mari island incident and

1072
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:58,300
and maybe the Kennedy assassination

1073
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:01,520
exactly now something interesting

1074
00:48:07,210 --> 00:48:03,700
occurring from what you're saying there

1075
00:48:10,089 --> 00:48:07,220
we had on Nick Redfern on our show

1076
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:10,099
someone's back and he was recounting the

1077
00:48:15,010 --> 00:48:13,160
experience of Orfeo and Joe Lucci one of

1078
00:48:17,290 --> 00:48:15,020
the traditional old-time contactees

1079
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:17,300
where supposedly he meets up with

1080
00:48:23,290 --> 00:48:20,210
somebody in a diner and then takes a

1081
00:48:26,049 --> 00:48:23,300
drug maybe in a hallucinogenic drug I

1082
00:48:28,359 --> 00:48:26,059
don't know but it seemed like these

1083
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:28,369
people were rather naive but this all

1084
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:30,530
seemed to happen one in the 50s 60s and

1085
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:37,700
70s but not today I don't know you know

1086
00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:41,450
there's there's more recent that there

1087
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:43,900
was a lot in the 90s a lot of a lot of

1088
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:49,609
tons of different but Hopkins you raise

1089
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:52,010
the specter their UFO abductions

1090
00:48:57,940 --> 00:48:55,430
now I once made a suggestion a long time

1091
00:49:01,210 --> 00:48:57,950
ago and I was shot down over and over

1092
00:49:03,130 --> 00:49:01,220
again and I understand why because the

1093
00:49:04,329 --> 00:49:03,140
person involved one of the people

1094
00:49:06,339 --> 00:49:04,339
involved in this case was somebody I

1095
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,349
hadn't met and I really like Barney and

1096
00:49:11,770 --> 00:49:08,960
Betty Hill now Barney and Betty Hill

1097
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:11,780
live near a military base in New

1098
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,130
Hampshire okay they have this UFO

1099
00:49:21,089 --> 00:49:18,079
sighting that ends up being some sort of

1100
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:21,099
abduction and everything around it seems

1101
00:49:27,789 --> 00:49:24,400
genuine it wasn't a UFO investigator

1102
00:49:31,299 --> 00:49:27,799
hypnotizing them it was a mental health

1103
00:49:33,329 --> 00:49:31,309
practitioner professional doing it okay

1104
00:49:38,349 --> 00:49:33,339
couldn't figure out what was going on I

1105
00:49:41,849 --> 00:49:38,359
just wondered offhanded what if the Air

1106
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:41,859
Force NSA military authorities whoever

1107
00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:45,680
decided to see how people would react if

1108
00:49:50,049 --> 00:49:48,440
they were abducted by aliens so they

1109
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,059
chose this couple an interracial couple

1110
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:52,000
because they had already been

1111
00:49:57,900 --> 00:49:55,330
undergoing those pressures living in the

1112
00:49:59,640 --> 00:49:57,910
60s when the racial environment was very

1113
00:50:03,170 --> 00:49:59,650
different than it is today

1114
00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:03,180
and it wasn't as accepted then

1115
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:08,140
what if they staged that incident it was

1116
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:10,990
all done with drugs and hypnosis it

1117
00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:12,280
wasn't real I don't know what do you

1118
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:13,390
think about things like that do you

1119
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,610
think some of these abductions represent

1120
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:18,400
disinformation absolutely and I think

1121
00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:20,940
the hills were dealt with in that way

1122
00:50:26,970 --> 00:50:23,800
because I believe Barney's first said

1123
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:26,980
that he thought the abductors had on

1124
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:30,130
Nazi style uniforms and then they're

1125
00:50:36,270 --> 00:50:34,030
hypnotized by an Army psychiatrist who's

1126
00:50:38,610 --> 00:50:36,280
the head of a facility so why is the

1127
00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:38,620
head of an Army Hospital working on them

1128
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:41,740
that's kind of odd and it there's I

1129
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:44,610
forget the source may have been Friedman

1130
00:50:51,330 --> 00:50:47,710
who who said that the doctor induced

1131
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:51,340
amnesia in them to forget the key points

1132
00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:54,670
of their abduction and and and as if

1133
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:56,680
that was a good thing you know like he

1134
00:51:00,660 --> 00:50:59,290
was helping them but you know maybe he

1135
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:00,670
was just trying to get them to forget

1136
00:51:06,810 --> 00:51:03,550
but these were terrestrial men in black

1137
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:06,820
and replaced that with you know the

1138
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,200
aliens and the starmap

1139
00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:10,000
and everything else it could be actually

1140
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:11,950
that the starmap was some kind of spy

1141
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:15,610
code that and betty was being used as a

1142
00:51:22,860 --> 00:51:19,510
courier unwittingly there's a lot to

1143
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,870
that case the starmap andrew bothers me

1144
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:24,880
a lot and we can go into that in our

1145
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:27,070
next segment and then we'll go back and

1146
00:51:31,620 --> 00:51:29,890
see how that dovetails with Mothman and

1147
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:31,630
all that other stuff Andrew Calvin

1148
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:34,030
joining us with Jean and Chris you're

1149
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:37,370
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1173
00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:33,280
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1174
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1175
00:52:37,050 --> 00:52:35,800
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1176
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1177
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1178
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1180
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1182
00:53:04,579 --> 00:52:59,729
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1183
00:53:12,689 --> 00:53:04,589
standard of paranormal radio and now

1184
00:53:16,409 --> 00:53:12,699
here's Jane Steinberg I didn't expect

1185
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:16,419
for this episode to focus on such a wide

1186
00:53:20,999 --> 00:53:19,150
range of subjects some of which I've

1187
00:53:23,759 --> 00:53:21,009
been very curious about myself

1188
00:53:26,849 --> 00:53:23,769
Andrew Colvin is the guest the book is

1189
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:26,859
the muff man speaks Jean and Chris on

1190
00:53:33,269 --> 00:53:29,650
the power cast so let's you know look

1191
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:33,279
further into some of these theories so

1192
00:53:37,579 --> 00:53:35,650
you accepted the possibility that the

1193
00:53:40,979 --> 00:53:37,589
hills it was government disinformation

1194
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,989
now what about the famous abductions

1195
00:53:44,969 --> 00:53:42,640
that are being investigated and were

1196
00:53:47,999 --> 00:53:44,979
investigated by the late but Hopkins and

1197
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:48,009
dr. David Jacobs and others any

1198
00:53:52,890 --> 00:53:50,529
possibility of that are just things that

1199
00:53:55,799 --> 00:53:52,900
are going on we can't understand well

1200
00:53:58,399 --> 00:53:55,809
sure I mean yeah I think it's clearly

1201
00:54:01,529 --> 00:53:58,409
possible that some of their cases were

1202
00:54:04,919 --> 00:54:01,539
were of that nature now were they

1203
00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:04,929
involved I don't know bud seemed a

1204
00:54:11,339 --> 00:54:08,380
little more of naive not the word but

1205
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:11,349
but you know more honest about it I

1206
00:54:15,929 --> 00:54:13,689
think he genuinely thought he was

1207
00:54:18,839 --> 00:54:15,939
getting at the root of something I'm not

1208
00:54:21,059 --> 00:54:18,849
even suggesting that Jacobs or Hopkins

1209
00:54:24,809 --> 00:54:21,069
or these other people were deliberate

1210
00:54:26,729 --> 00:54:24,819
actors in this conspiracy I think they

1211
00:54:28,829 --> 00:54:26,739
were sincere were are sincere just

1212
00:54:30,689 --> 00:54:28,839
trying to deal with something they do

1213
00:54:33,209 --> 00:54:30,699
not understand in the best way they can

1214
00:54:35,849 --> 00:54:33,219
it doesn't mean that the individuals

1215
00:54:38,059 --> 00:54:35,859
themselves were somehow manipulated yeah

1216
00:54:40,799 --> 00:54:38,069
yeah that's my feeling now let me

1217
00:54:44,189 --> 00:54:40,809
anything that's pointing to the et

1218
00:54:46,859 --> 00:54:44,199
thesis is if you want to be simplistic

1219
00:54:49,229 --> 00:54:46,869
about it you know it's possibly part of

1220
00:54:51,479 --> 00:54:49,239
the disinformation program a suspect

1221
00:54:53,549 --> 00:54:51,489
seems to have been the main idea was to

1222
00:54:54,899 --> 00:54:53,559
get everybody to believe in aliens so

1223
00:54:56,909 --> 00:54:54,909
that the drone development could

1224
00:54:57,809 --> 00:54:56,919
continue you know about as much

1225
00:55:02,120 --> 00:54:57,819
interference

1226
00:55:05,069 --> 00:55:02,130
so aliens to cover up military

1227
00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:05,079
developments yeah that's basically my

1228
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:08,180
view of it I you know I do

1229
00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:11,900
I do believe however you know having had

1230
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:16,660
my experiences with some kind of entity

1231
00:55:21,819 --> 00:55:19,250
perhaps a shape-shifting entity that can

1232
00:55:24,460 --> 00:55:21,829
appear in different guises but there is

1233
00:55:27,549 --> 00:55:24,470
a real phenomenon that has ancient roots

1234
00:55:29,289 --> 00:55:27,559
that you can find information on and I

1235
00:55:32,109 --> 00:55:29,299
think the government realized that they

1236
00:55:35,019 --> 00:55:32,119
could piggyback on that and introduce

1237
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:35,029
all these crazy creatures to help cover

1238
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:36,319
up what they were doing

1239
00:55:39,789 --> 00:55:37,910
and I don't know you're probably

1240
00:55:40,990 --> 00:55:39,799
familiar with Leon Davidson that that

1241
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,000
stuff he came out with in the early

1242
00:55:47,769 --> 00:55:44,240
sixties about okay now Leon Davidson a

1243
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:47,779
scientist comes out with a special

1244
00:55:53,890 --> 00:55:50,510
annotated version of Project Blue Book

1245
00:55:55,569 --> 00:55:53,900
special report 14 which was the classic

1246
00:55:57,940 --> 00:55:55,579
report was so many important cases

1247
00:56:00,490 --> 00:55:57,950
released by the government so what about

1248
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:00,500
dr. Davidson well it's kind of a

1249
00:56:04,539 --> 00:56:02,690
conundrum there because you know your

1250
00:56:09,099 --> 00:56:04,549
first thought is well if he's putting

1251
00:56:11,069 --> 00:56:09,109
out blue book you know he's a player but

1252
00:56:13,410 --> 00:56:11,079
then he you know he puts out this

1253
00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:13,420
manifesto of sorts and they were

1254
00:56:20,769 --> 00:56:17,180
sixty-two starting through like 65 or he

1255
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:20,779
keeps saying that the CIA the Navy in

1256
00:56:28,930 --> 00:56:24,470
particular had started this program to

1257
00:56:31,420 --> 00:56:28,940
sort of cook up ET BT theory and they

1258
00:56:33,490 --> 00:56:31,430
started he he actually lists the

1259
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:33,500
progression of how the entities changed

1260
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:34,970
I started off with a little green men

1261
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:37,430
which was piggybacking on the older PUC

1262
00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:41,420
wuji nunna he indian belief and the

1263
00:56:48,849 --> 00:56:45,710
little people and perhaps used rhesus

1264
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,859
monkeys or whatever to to get people to

1265
00:56:54,430 --> 00:56:51,200
go with that and then they just kept

1266
00:56:55,059 --> 00:56:54,440
changing it slightly until you had gray

1267
00:56:58,329 --> 00:56:55,069
aliens

1268
00:57:00,339 --> 00:56:58,339
so it sounds credible to me it doesn't

1269
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:00,349
negate the fact that there might be real

1270
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:04,400
cases with real interdimensional

1271
00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:06,950
entities it just gets hard for people to

1272
00:57:11,260 --> 00:57:09,950
you know to separate them and keep it

1273
00:57:13,870 --> 00:57:11,270
all straight and you have to look at

1274
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:13,880
each case on its own merits to sort of

1275
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:16,490
decide is this a real case or something

1276
00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:19,250
that the government is trying to control

1277
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:21,300
or cook up for how do you

1278
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:24,720
determined that I think you just look at

1279
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:27,930
who's involved is the government

1280
00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:30,090
stepping in because a lot of times

1281
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:33,950
they'll just ignore the real stuff I

1282
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:36,720
think you know if the government's right

1283
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:38,370
all of this their force is getting

1284
00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:41,850
getting involved if they're giving it a

1285
00:57:45,740 --> 00:57:44,100
lot of media out of nowhere that's one

1286
00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:45,750
thing you notice like I think about my

1287
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:48,750
UFO shots that I've got up on my blog I

1288
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:52,260
wonder if that'll get propagated the way

1289
00:57:55,790 --> 00:57:53,610
that some of these other cases get

1290
00:58:00,290 --> 00:57:55,800
propagated you know people come out of

1291
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:00,300
nowhere with with videos and things and

1292
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:03,990
and get instant media access I think

1293
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:06,300
that's another way to sort of tell how

1294
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:08,190
much pushback is there against

1295
00:58:12,830 --> 00:58:11,130
somebody's story now is the media being

1296
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:12,840
manipulated directly where they go to

1297
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:16,050
Roger Ailes over at Fox News or the key

1298
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:19,500
executives at NBC CBS ABC etc and say

1299
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:23,010
okay here's the meme we're going to

1300
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:25,980
present go along with it or what well

1301
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:28,410
yeah you know before I got involved in

1302
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:29,880
this Mothman research which was the

1303
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:31,290
writing they're basically right after in

1304
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:34,830
2001 yeah I spent the previous 20 years

1305
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:39,570
or whatever studying conspiracies and I

1306
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:41,370
like to call an investigational

1307
00:58:46,970 --> 00:58:45,000
journalism for institutional theories

1308
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:46,980
because I think today you know

1309
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:48,810
journalism has been so infiltrated by

1310
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:51,660
the spook agencies that but they're not

1311
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:53,910
even really functioning as real

1312
00:58:58,910 --> 00:58:55,410
investigative journalists anymore

1313
00:59:01,460 --> 00:58:58,920
I think the Internet is guys like you

1314
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,470
and other people that are doing blogs

1315
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:04,200
and radio shows that this is really sort

1316
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:05,970
of a golden era where we're getting some

1317
00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:08,460
of that again and I hope you know it

1318
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:11,030
doesn't get the internet doesn't get

1319
00:59:18,830 --> 00:59:15,420
filtered out so much that we don't have

1320
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:18,840
any more grassroots journalism going on

1321
00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:20,970
well understand this show is kind of a

1322
00:59:26,780 --> 00:59:23,220
hybrid the power cast goes on

1323
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:26,790
traditional radio it goes online at the

1324
00:59:30,970 --> 00:59:29,130
gcn radio site our own site around the

1325
00:59:34,210 --> 00:59:30,980
world so

1326
00:59:35,650 --> 00:59:34,220
kind of have our feet in both Chris you

1327
00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:35,660
want to follow up on this this is

1328
00:59:39,940 --> 00:59:37,700
getting yeah listen dating this is

1329
00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:39,950
really fascinating Andy and and one

1330
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:41,270
thing that I'm kind of hearing from you

1331
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:43,090
and correct me if I'm wrong here but

1332
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:46,490
you're a little bit doubtful it sounds

1333
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,570
like about the ETH the extra-terrestrial

1334
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:51,920
hypothesis now where do you come down do

1335
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:54,320
you do you feel that the real let's say

1336
00:59:58,510 --> 00:59:55,930
the core of this phenomena that may be

1337
01:00:01,210 --> 00:59:58,520
that may be truly high strange and maybe

1338
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:01,220
you know legitimately unexplained do you

1339
01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:02,690
think it's something that is a closed

1340
01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:05,030
system phenomenon that's seen or

1341
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,400
dimensional cryptid terrestrial or do

1342
01:00:12,790 --> 01:00:09,200
you think that we're all we're seeing a

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01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:12,800
stew of maybe aliens coming time

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01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:14,150
travelers

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01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:17,210
you know interdimensional so I what does

1346
01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:18,470
your gut tell you I mean you've been

1347
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:20,150
involved with me in this since the early

1348
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:22,609
80s and done quietly as you just

1349
01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:23,810
mentioned you've done quite a bit of

1350
01:00:28,210 --> 01:00:26,180
research on your own where do you come

1351
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:28,220
down as an experiencer and as a

1352
01:00:34,210 --> 01:00:32,210
researcher I I do I do think that the

1353
01:00:37,570 --> 01:00:34,220
interdimensional thesis has validity and

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01:00:39,609 --> 01:00:37,580
there is something going on there and I

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01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:39,619
also think the other that the government

1356
01:00:45,130 --> 01:00:41,390
is cooking up the extra-terrestrial

1357
01:00:48,099 --> 01:00:45,140
thesis as well just sort of take it off

1358
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:48,109
world because then what are you left

1359
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:49,970
with if you can get people focusing on

1360
01:00:56,500 --> 01:00:52,960
the ETH they're not going to be reading

1361
01:00:58,960 --> 01:00:56,510
ancient literature that's going to

1362
01:01:01,810 --> 01:00:58,970
inform them of these occult or

1363
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:01,820
alchemical theories that the clearly

1364
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:04,250
some people in the military are into I

1365
01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:05,810
mean there's a shot in saucing news of

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01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:09,109
an occultist I think it's in 67 you know

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01:01:14,349 --> 01:01:11,630
military guy who's doing some ritual you

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01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:14,359
know and you've got that other guy a

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01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:16,910
keno guys like a keynote Michael Keenan

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01:01:23,290 --> 01:01:20,390
oh yeah there are people in the power

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01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:23,300
structure there into how chemical change

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01:01:27,099 --> 01:01:25,070
and this is you know what the Nazis are

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01:01:29,530 --> 01:01:27,109
all about and they don't want other

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01:01:31,870 --> 01:01:29,540
people leveling the playing field and

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01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:31,880
finding out what that stuff is it's

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01:01:36,370 --> 01:01:33,890
about so if you can keep people looking

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01:01:38,109 --> 01:01:36,380
up into the sky as that old saying goes

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01:01:40,420 --> 01:01:38,119
and you can take stuff out of their

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01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:40,430
pockets you know that's well I've

1380
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mentioned this on the I've mentioned

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01:01:46,530 --> 01:01:43,990
this on the air before

1382
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,540
and when people people make the offhand

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:47,920
comment that the military the government

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01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:50,410
is not interested in all in the occult

1385
01:01:55,650 --> 01:01:53,170
or or any of these kind of Fringe

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01:01:57,900 --> 01:01:55,660
subjects I like to remind them and if

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01:01:59,280 --> 01:01:57,910
you go to the mall that's right next to

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the Pentagon I think it's even called

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the Pentagon mall

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01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:02,290
and you go into the Barnes & Noble in

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01:02:06,450 --> 01:02:04,420
there it has what I consider to be

1392
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:06,460
probably the largest collection of

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01:02:13,050 --> 01:02:09,330
occult books I've ever seen anywhere in

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01:02:16,650 --> 01:02:13,060
a particular library or bookstore it's

1395
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:16,660
just it I there's row upon row upon row

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01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:20,230
of these types of titles and that would

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01:02:24,030 --> 01:02:22,630
kind of hint to me that the government

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01:02:26,430 --> 01:02:24,040
and the military are very very

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interested in the subject and obviously

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by professing non interest in the

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subject you do give yourself that red

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herring out and I think your line of

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reasoning here about you know keeping

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people looking up into the sky instead

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of having their ear on the ground makes

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a lot of sense and I say what also makes

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UFO research the possibility that

1513
01:07:38,460 --> 01:07:35,680
there's a lot of government interaction

1514
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,470
to make us believe in what's going on up

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01:07:43,110 --> 01:07:40,720
there whereas other things are happening

1516
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:43,120
down here we should pay attention to now

1517
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:46,240
in the days of dr. Leon Davidson Jim

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01:07:52,530 --> 01:07:48,490
mostly of saucer news believed in what

1519
01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:52,540
he called the earth theory that et was

1520
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:55,630
not responsible for visitations although

1521
01:08:02,490 --> 01:07:57,690
they might be aliens that UFOs

1522
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,500
represented secret weapons hmm the

1523
01:08:07,410 --> 01:08:04,240
Gandy's been hidden around it the whole

1524
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:07,420
show sure did you pay attention to what

1525
01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:09,010
Jim said this is probably way before

1526
01:08:15,090 --> 01:08:11,830
your time oh well you mean when he

1527
01:08:18,180 --> 01:08:15,100
originally said it or yes yeah I wasn't

1528
01:08:19,650 --> 01:08:18,190
reading that stuff back in the 60s but

1529
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:19,660
you know I've been catching up I'm

1530
01:08:25,740 --> 01:08:22,920
collecting all these old magazines and

1531
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:25,750
you know Davidson talked about the fake

1532
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:27,850
fireballs that they'd even come up with

1533
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:29,530
those and they'll often you'll often see

1534
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:32,050
fireball stories in the news that seem

1535
01:08:37,230 --> 01:08:34,270
to distract from more pressing matters

1536
01:08:38,970 --> 01:08:37,240
you have a nuclear disaster or some

1537
01:08:41,790 --> 01:08:38,980
political and embarrassing political

1538
01:08:44,730 --> 01:08:41,800
situation you'll have a fireball scene

1539
01:08:46,829 --> 01:08:44,740
or UFO scene and that and that's one of

1540
01:08:48,510 --> 01:08:46,839
those instant access stories it gets out

1541
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:48,520
in the media and gets everybody focused

1542
01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:51,250
on that and it actually keeps political

1543
01:08:55,740 --> 01:08:52,990
change from happening that would be

1544
01:08:58,579 --> 01:08:55,750
beneficial to the middle class so it has

1545
01:09:01,320 --> 01:08:58,589
a lot it has a lot of different the uses

1546
01:09:04,099 --> 01:09:01,330
DTH and as far as out

1547
01:09:07,170 --> 01:09:04,109
our chemical stuff goes you notice that

1548
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:07,180
as I was talking about my neighborhood

1549
01:09:10,890 --> 01:09:09,370
that they had mowed down these mounds I

1550
01:09:13,050 --> 01:09:10,900
think there's a now chemical thing there

1551
01:09:16,230 --> 01:09:13,060
too because these chemical companies

1552
01:09:18,750 --> 01:09:16,240
that that is our chemical work right

1553
01:09:21,780 --> 01:09:18,760
there the chemical companies are taking

1554
01:09:24,770 --> 01:09:21,790
the ancient chemical knowledge and

1555
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:24,780
applying it to modern physics and

1556
01:09:30,420 --> 01:09:28,480
creating new products and you know

1557
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:30,430
similarly out of thin air although they

1558
01:09:36,690 --> 01:09:34,930
all come from petroleum but I've noticed

1559
01:09:38,310 --> 01:09:36,700
that all over the country different

1560
01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:38,320
mouth sites have been taken over by oil

1561
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:40,900
companies and I think they that was part

1562
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:43,420
of their plan was to you know take over

1563
01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:45,750
the most secret areas of the Indians and

1564
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:49,990
and to demoralize them and you sort of

1565
01:09:53,820 --> 01:09:51,970
see this in the indian head test test

1566
01:09:56,430 --> 01:09:53,830
pattern which i've mentioned before on

1567
01:10:00,030 --> 01:09:56,440
my blog now we're saying here basically

1568
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:00,040
that everything is about oil yeah it is

1569
01:10:04,380 --> 01:10:02,770
you know it's a big issue there's

1570
01:10:08,250 --> 01:10:04,390
there's a you know if you look at the

1571
01:10:10,350 --> 01:10:08,260
Nazi UFO story there's there's there's a

1572
01:10:12,270 --> 01:10:10,360
link to petrochemicals over there where

1573
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,280
they were using a nuclear power -

1574
01:10:16,530 --> 01:10:13,840
they're using a plant that was

1575
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:16,540
supposedly making synthetic oil and

1576
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:19,030
rubber and using it as that was a cover

1577
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:21,490
story that they were they didn't

1578
01:10:25,170 --> 01:10:22,930
actually produce any of that stuff they

1579
01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:25,180
that's where dornberger

1580
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,360
reportedly was working and Kammler was

1581
01:10:33,450 --> 01:10:30,880
working on these different craft exotic

1582
01:10:35,940 --> 01:10:33,460
craft underground so you do see this

1583
01:10:39,660 --> 01:10:35,950
link between nuclear power and these

1584
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:39,670
craft and oil and these players are

1585
01:10:46,460 --> 01:10:43,030
still mucking around today and there's

1586
01:10:50,250 --> 01:10:46,470
we've had three strange nuclear

1587
01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:50,260
incidents recently you know part of its

1588
01:10:55,470 --> 01:10:52,630
I don't know if it's just part of the

1589
01:10:59,340 --> 01:10:55,480
terror program to scare people but you

1590
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,350
do wonder I just wonder it's you know

1591
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:01,840
nuclear power is a Nazi invention if you

1592
01:11:08,580 --> 01:11:05,050
really look into the literature and the

1593
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:08,590
war on cancer is a Nazi invention and so

1594
01:11:14,850 --> 01:11:12,130
some of these memes have been right here

1595
01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:14,860
in the US since since the war because

1596
01:11:18,899 --> 01:11:17,080
we took on so many of the paperclip

1597
01:11:22,649 --> 01:11:18,909
scientists who came here and I think

1598
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:22,659
that's sort of infected the way we do

1599
01:11:26,490 --> 01:11:24,790
business and it's unfortunate and Jim

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01:11:29,250 --> 01:11:26,500
Marrs you know it's written about this

1601
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:29,260
I think that's embedded in the UFO thing

1602
01:11:35,459 --> 01:11:33,130
too you know that these are people who

1603
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,469
don't have many scruples and they're

1604
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:38,320
bent on getting control or gaining a

1605
01:11:43,109 --> 01:11:40,030
military advantage in any way they can

1606
01:11:46,129 --> 01:11:43,119
and that was necessitate coming up with

1607
01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:46,139
each of the eth and having men in black

1608
01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:48,790
perhaps people and all that stuff

1609
01:11:53,310 --> 01:11:50,920
speaking of the man in black by the way

1610
01:11:56,340 --> 01:11:53,320
ladies and gentlemen there is a man in

1611
01:11:59,879 --> 01:11:56,350
black three movie being filmed with Will

1612
01:12:01,950 --> 01:11:59,889
Smith Tommy Lee Jones Rip Torn if they

1613
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:01,960
can keep him out of jail and all that

1614
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:03,130
stuff and they can keep him from

1615
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,130
drinking too much and a new generation I

1616
01:12:13,470 --> 01:12:09,280
guess of MIB but the point in the matter

1617
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:13,480
is other than the movies and the graphic

1618
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:16,239
comic books do we see men in black in

1619
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,170
the 21st century they've sort of changed

1620
01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:22,000
into mill puppets what I call nil

1621
01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:24,100
puppets is their military sock puppets

1622
01:12:29,070 --> 01:12:26,590
people that are fake individuals on

1623
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:29,080
Facebook and other place other forums

1624
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:32,250
who aren't real people they're agents

1625
01:12:37,859 --> 01:12:35,199
spying on others in some cases I've

1626
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:37,869
heard that there are auto autobots

1627
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:39,940
I don't know about how that would work

1628
01:12:45,330 --> 01:12:42,850
but I assume it's programming to respond

1629
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:45,340
with predetermined answers to what

1630
01:12:50,189 --> 01:12:47,820
people say yeah I have heard from

1631
01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,199
various researches if you post the wrong

1632
01:12:54,780 --> 01:12:52,960
thing at the wrong time your site will

1633
01:12:56,700 --> 01:12:54,790
be hit and and that certainly happened

1634
01:13:01,470 --> 01:12:56,710
with my site which basically was

1635
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:01,480
disowned and disappeared one day so must

1636
01:13:07,100 --> 01:13:03,520
have been into cold I had Indrid cold

1637
01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:07,110
tried to befriend me oh you met him

1638
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:09,940
well now you did just some somebody Nick

1639
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:11,650
calling themselves injured called wanted

1640
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:12,610
to be my friend

1641
01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:15,520
oh yeah yeah there's there's a couple of

1642
01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:18,310
them there's one guy who's kind of a

1643
01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:21,190
biker dude from Ohio is actually a cool

1644
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:23,260
dude he's not the real injury called it

1645
01:13:28,410 --> 01:13:24,880
can't be because he's not old enough but

1646
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:28,420
there is a guy who's been told by Darren

1647
01:13:30,510 --> 01:13:28,690
burger

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01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:30,520
daughter that the real injured cold is

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01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:33,520
on Facebook and he's only got a handful

1650
01:13:41,330 --> 01:13:37,600
of friends and he doesn't post anything

1651
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:41,340
he's got his he says he was born in 1924

1652
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:45,120
on the same day as my father I believe

1653
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,670
that's my father's birthday hmm maybe

1654
01:13:52,380 --> 01:13:50,560
there's a connection there no I mean

1655
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:52,390
I've you know I've emailed them on there

1656
01:13:56,970 --> 01:13:54,370
and they haven't gotten a response so I

1657
01:13:59,040 --> 01:13:56,980
don't know the inevitable question some

1658
01:14:05,850 --> 01:13:59,050
of the famous cases in the UFO history

1659
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:05,860
such as of course Roswell boy it's an

1660
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industry isn't it you know major major

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01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:13,840
industry I like that story that came out

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01:14:17,610 --> 01:14:14,890
a couple of years ago that they had

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01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:17,620
found the eating Union Carbide glue and

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01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:20,080
the ground there where the thing crashed

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01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:22,480
and then that point you know carbide

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01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:24,310
seems to be involved all over the place

1667
01:14:29,130 --> 01:14:28,000
and you can sort of see this in their

1668
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:29,140
corporate structure they they've

1669
01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:30,880
partnered for a long time with Linde

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company out of Germany to build the

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01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:36,810
different uranium processing plants and

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01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:41,050
Lindy there is no Lindy basically stole

1673
01:14:47,820 --> 01:14:45,730
Tesla's patents Tesla's lab burned down

1674
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,830
right woods he was about to patent a

1675
01:14:52,650 --> 01:14:49,440
bunch of different liquification

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01:14:53,490 --> 01:14:52,660
processes and then Lindy patented them

1677
01:14:57,870 --> 01:14:53,500
right away

1678
01:14:59,670 --> 01:14:57,880
and you know whether or not George

1679
01:15:01,500 --> 01:14:59,680
Prescott Bush was involved you know

1680
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:01,510
there's possible that Prescott Bush was

1681
01:15:05,820 --> 01:15:03,610
involved in that and that may explain

1682
01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:05,830
how they the Bush family became so

1683
01:15:14,420 --> 01:15:10,630
prominent is that they helped give

1684
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:14,430
Tesla's who was working on our UFO craft

1685
01:15:19,290 --> 01:15:17,650
to the Germans which would explain how

1686
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:19,300
the Germans got ahead of us on that

1687
01:15:24,990 --> 01:15:21,910
we'll get into more of what's going on

1688
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,000
here which has become elaborate history

1689
01:15:30,270 --> 01:15:28,239
of government intervention in the UFO

1690
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:30,280
and paranormal fields the book is the

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Mothman

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01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:33,430
speaks and he will speak to us more

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we'll have Andrew Calvin talking to Jean

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and Chris you're in the

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cast the GC and radio network providing

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space and of a mysterious woman

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world a woman not yet born calling

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across centuries to him then a

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we're gonna do it if you can with Andrew

1799
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:10,239
Calvin author of Mothman speaks with a

1800
01:20:14,580 --> 01:20:13,030
subtitle it takes about a week to read

1801
01:20:17,339 --> 01:20:14,590
so I want to ask him to do it again

1802
01:20:21,060 --> 01:20:17,349
until towards the end of the show we're

1803
01:20:24,599 --> 01:20:21,070
focusing on not just Mothman which we

1804
01:20:27,689 --> 01:20:24,609
start out with but military conspiracies

1805
01:20:31,049 --> 01:20:27,699
all over the place so things like the

1806
01:20:34,619 --> 01:20:31,059
mj-12 documents taken seriously by some

1807
01:20:39,209 --> 01:20:34,629
people in the UFO field not by others -

1808
01:20:42,689 --> 01:20:39,219
your conclusion of fake oh boy it's

1809
01:20:45,569 --> 01:20:42,699
probably a combination of real and fake

1810
01:20:47,489 --> 01:20:45,579
when it was when it was a hot topic I

1811
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:47,499
didn't pay that much attention to it

1812
01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:49,209
because I you know I just felt like it

1813
01:20:54,509 --> 01:20:51,249
was another one of these distraction

1814
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:54,519
stories and then after that sort of died

1815
01:20:59,520 --> 01:20:57,760
down I looked into you know kept looking

1816
01:21:01,139 --> 01:20:59,530
at it every now and then and then a West

1817
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,149
Virginia a connection started appearing

1818
01:21:05,879 --> 01:21:03,760
in there and it's been a while so I

1819
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:05,889
don't know if I'll do it can do a good

1820
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:08,320
job of detailing the West Virginia

1821
01:21:15,299 --> 01:21:13,209
connections do tell yeah it might take

1822
01:21:17,729 --> 01:21:15,309
me a while to remember at all jack

1823
01:21:19,739 --> 01:21:17,739
Sarfati wrote about something about this

1824
01:21:21,540 --> 01:21:19,749
I was talking about a guy named

1825
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:21,550
physicist out of West Virginia

1826
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:24,639
University named quorum James quorum

1827
01:21:29,759 --> 01:21:28,449
whose brother also is a physicist and

1828
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:29,769
developed something called the egg of

1829
01:21:34,799 --> 01:21:32,800
Columbus some anti-gravity device but

1830
01:21:37,109 --> 01:21:34,809
they've been working on anti-gravity in

1831
01:21:39,869 --> 01:21:37,119
West Virginia for a long time senator

1832
01:21:41,790 --> 01:21:39,879
Byrd was was behind it up there near

1833
01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:41,800
where a barker lived in fact near

1834
01:21:48,359 --> 01:21:44,590
Clarksburg they call it propulse

1835
01:21:50,689 --> 01:21:48,369
propellant --less propulsion the inner

1836
01:21:53,489 --> 01:21:50,699
I'm just trying to remember the aviary

1837
01:21:57,060 --> 01:21:53,499
well here's there's a guy there's a guy

1838
01:21:59,040 --> 01:21:57,070
named Bob teeth's who was a bigwig in

1839
01:22:00,509 --> 01:21:59,050
the human potential foundation who's

1840
01:22:04,229 --> 01:22:00,519
from West Virginia and has written a

1841
01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:04,239
book called Mountain State UFOs he was

1842
01:22:09,060 --> 01:22:05,320
I don't know if he was part of the

1843
01:22:10,770 --> 01:22:09,070
aviary it's just been a while and the

1844
01:22:12,899 --> 01:22:10,780
details are escaping me but there

1845
01:22:17,609 --> 01:22:12,909
there's definitely some connections

1846
01:22:19,589 --> 01:22:17,619
there with West Virginia and yeah I've

1847
01:22:21,569 --> 01:22:19,599
wasn't expecting that one well that's

1848
01:22:24,270 --> 01:22:21,579
why we're here yeah

1849
01:22:25,799 --> 01:22:24,280
we're here to deliver the unexpected but

1850
01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:25,809
it's definitely I can say it's

1851
01:22:30,930 --> 01:22:28,900
definitely in I think it's maybe in the

1852
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:30,940
Mothman speak so let me look it up here

1853
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:31,570
actually

1854
01:22:36,029 --> 01:22:33,489
well--we're while we're talking I'll see

1855
01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:36,039
if I can locate a page where I write

1856
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:38,289
about that but I do I when I get the

1857
01:22:41,790 --> 01:22:40,480
details I put him in the book so that's

1858
01:22:43,529 --> 01:22:41,800
one of the reasons I put them in there

1859
01:22:47,850 --> 01:22:43,539
so I don't have to try to hold it all in

1860
01:22:50,759 --> 01:22:47,860
my head that helps now I would also ask

1861
01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:50,769
here is there anything in the Mothman

1862
01:22:56,899 --> 01:22:54,340
cases that preceded the collapse of that

1863
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:56,909
bridge that relates in any way to

1864
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:01,679
government intervention oh well

1865
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:03,760
leaving like the guys that were seen

1866
01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:05,650
climbing on the bridge that kind of

1867
01:23:13,229 --> 01:23:09,670
thing also that sure go for that that's

1868
01:23:15,689 --> 01:23:13,239
news news to me yeah that's that's there

1869
01:23:17,370 --> 01:23:15,699
were there were men seen on the Barrett

1870
01:23:20,669 --> 01:23:17,380
on the bridge tinkering with something

1871
01:23:22,259 --> 01:23:20,679
in the week prior that they have the

1872
01:23:23,819 --> 01:23:22,269
collapse all the birds left town

1873
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:23,829
specially there's a big flight of birds

1874
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:27,760
out of town and I've theorized that

1875
01:23:38,850 --> 01:23:34,150
perhaps the Kecksburg UFO was you know

1876
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:38,860
the the Nazi bell and may have been it

1877
01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:40,690
certainly came through that area after

1878
01:23:44,669 --> 01:23:42,340
it was picked up by the military they

1879
01:23:47,339 --> 01:23:44,679
took it to Columbus before it went to

1880
01:23:50,100 --> 01:23:47,349
wright-patt it's possible as they put it

1881
01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:50,110
one put that one or a new one under the

1882
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:54,340
TNT and we're using it to create red

1883
01:23:59,399 --> 01:23:57,610
mercury or something like that or they

1884
01:24:01,649 --> 01:23:59,409
were doing some kind of radioactive work

1885
01:24:04,020 --> 01:24:01,659
in the TNT that much is clear everybody

1886
01:24:05,939 --> 01:24:04,030
all the locals know it and talk about it

1887
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:05,949
but nobody can really speculate exactly

1888
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:07,630
what it was it seemed to be connected to

1889
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:10,480
area 51 you had to go in and blacked-out

1890
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,800
buses if you work there so it's possible

1891
01:24:18,250 --> 01:24:16,320
they were making nuclear powered drones

1892
01:24:20,649 --> 01:24:18,260
because I would explain

1893
01:24:22,990 --> 01:24:20,659
the different regular sightings like on

1894
01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:23,000
a pattern schedule that were qu'il talks

1895
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:25,190
about seeing they're coming down the

1896
01:24:33,970 --> 01:24:28,250
road from the TNT to the to the river so

1897
01:24:35,740 --> 01:24:33,980
if they had a these Bell things spin at

1898
01:24:38,259 --> 01:24:35,750
a high rate and they cause vibrations

1899
01:24:40,209 --> 01:24:38,269
that you can't hear and it's possible

1900
01:24:43,330 --> 01:24:40,219
that by doing that they weaken the

1901
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:43,340
bridge it's not that they brought it

1902
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:45,170
down on purpose necessarily but maybe

1903
01:24:48,430 --> 01:24:46,880
you know that just helped bring it down

1904
01:24:49,839 --> 01:24:48,440
that would explain why the birds left

1905
01:24:54,339 --> 01:24:49,849
town that day maybe they were doing

1906
01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:54,349
something unusual in the TNT but it's

1907
01:24:59,620 --> 01:24:56,150
more comforting at least in this field

1908
01:25:02,979 --> 01:24:59,630
to find paranormal explanations for all

1909
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:02,989
these things even kerikeri Thornley said

1910
01:25:08,740 --> 01:25:07,130
the JFK conspirator that you know photos

1911
01:25:10,270 --> 01:25:08,750
came from underneath the ground in West

1912
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:10,280
Virginia one of his more cryptic

1913
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:12,050
statement so he was connected to David

1914
01:25:14,229 --> 01:25:13,730
Ferrie who we believe was in Point

1915
01:25:15,490 --> 01:25:14,239
Pleasant

1916
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:15,500
he was the fright-wig man and

1917
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:19,130
fredchristman was in town obviously or

1918
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:22,639
nearby he you know i theorize that they

1919
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:25,250
they were clearly using parts of the tnt

1920
01:25:30,970 --> 01:25:29,090
for a navy reclamation quote project

1921
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:30,980
there was linked to the DLA Defense

1922
01:25:36,819 --> 01:25:33,820
Logistics was today Defense Logistics so

1923
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:36,829
they could have some of these men in

1924
01:25:40,509 --> 01:25:38,719
black that we're making themselves very

1925
01:25:42,430 --> 01:25:40,519
obvious could have been it could have

1926
01:25:44,919 --> 01:25:42,440
been like a second Oswald scenario where

1927
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:44,929
they were setting up someone to take the

1928
01:25:49,810 --> 01:25:47,570
fall for the RFK and MLK assassinations

1929
01:25:54,759 --> 01:25:49,820
which was one of Mothman Prophecies the

1930
01:25:56,290 --> 01:25:54,769
mo K would be shot that white Mustang

1931
01:25:58,720 --> 01:25:56,300
that Ray drove was seen in Point

1932
01:26:01,149 --> 01:25:58,730
Pleasant so you know a white Mustang was

1933
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,159
driven by the jello man in black who

1934
01:26:06,279 --> 01:26:04,159
thought jello was something you drank so

1935
01:26:10,899 --> 01:26:06,289
he was making himself a Jones some

1936
01:26:13,149 --> 01:26:10,909
reason what yeah there's lots of crazy

1937
01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:13,159
stories about these men and black and

1938
01:26:17,529 --> 01:26:15,409
some of them really wanted to be

1939
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:17,539
remembered and that's an unusual thing

1940
01:26:23,290 --> 01:26:21,199
so given that you have these JFK

1941
01:26:26,109 --> 01:26:23,300
conspirators in town it's possible that

1942
01:26:29,399 --> 01:26:26,119
they were cooking up they were obviously

1943
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:29,409
forced to move out of New Orleans in the

1944
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:31,820
66 it was like

1945
01:26:39,359 --> 01:26:34,880
within I think the date was exact in

1946
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:39,369
fact that garrison decided to go after

1947
01:26:44,339 --> 01:26:42,320
their paramilitary camp I think I'm

1948
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:44,349
pretty sure it was in early November

1949
01:26:50,620 --> 01:26:47,690
1966 a garrison did that and so

1950
01:26:52,780 --> 01:26:50,630
immediately they probably decided to

1951
01:26:54,339 --> 01:26:52,790
move it to some other bunkers they were

1952
01:26:56,979 --> 01:26:54,349
using bunkers just like the ones in the

1953
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:56,989
Team T&T down in Louisiana probably

1954
01:27:00,330 --> 01:26:59,360
moved the operation up the Ohio to Point

1955
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:00,340
Pleasant

1956
01:27:05,589 --> 01:27:03,110
cut to the chase my friend cut to the

1957
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:05,599
chase do you feel the collapse of the

1958
01:27:12,270 --> 01:27:08,510
Silver Bridge was a deliberate action by

1959
01:27:14,530 --> 01:27:12,280
the government for whatever reason no I

1960
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:14,540
wouldn't I wouldn't go that far

1961
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:17,530
I think it helped isolate the town

1962
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:20,810
during that critical time when they were

1963
01:27:26,589 --> 01:27:24,050
doing these ops because the plant was

1964
01:27:29,050 --> 01:27:26,599
still humming along doing something and

1965
01:27:31,839 --> 01:27:29,060
it made it more it's certainly you know

1966
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:31,849
it served a it served a purpose but I

1967
01:27:38,169 --> 01:27:35,090
you know the bridge was was old and it

1968
01:27:40,810 --> 01:27:38,179
was very very bad shape everybody that

1969
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:40,820
drove across it you know talks about it

1970
01:27:45,729 --> 01:27:44,030
today just how scary it was this is true

1971
01:27:48,010 --> 01:27:45,739
by the way around the country I mean

1972
01:27:50,379 --> 01:27:48,020
there are hundreds or thousands of

1973
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:50,389
bridges that are not in great states of

1974
01:27:54,609 --> 01:27:51,770
repair of course that's part of the

1975
01:27:57,490 --> 01:27:54,619
political dialogue these days how do we

1976
01:27:59,379 --> 01:27:57,500
pay for the repair of the infrastructure

1977
01:28:01,990 --> 01:27:59,389
if we don't have the money but you would

1978
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:02,000
say then that in this particular case it

1979
01:28:06,220 --> 01:28:04,400
was an old bridge and something was

1980
01:28:09,339 --> 01:28:06,230
gonna happen it happened on that fateful

1981
01:28:11,410 --> 01:28:09,349
day the other part of me I was just I

1982
01:28:12,669 --> 01:28:11,420
just found a reference to mj-12 in here

1983
01:28:14,169 --> 01:28:12,679
and I was sort of looking at the see if

1984
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:14,179
I should read it what was it what did

1985
01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:16,250
you say okay at the Silver Bridge

1986
01:28:20,649 --> 01:28:19,310
it's an old bridge it's time and come if

1987
01:28:21,729 --> 01:28:20,659
it didn't happen man it would have

1988
01:28:24,580 --> 01:28:21,739
happened eventually

1989
01:28:27,069 --> 01:28:24,590
yeah given the fact that they don't work

1990
01:28:28,930 --> 01:28:27,079
we don't see a lot of productivity where

1991
01:28:31,629 --> 01:28:28,940
they just say okay we're closing this

1992
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,639
one we're gonna build a new one and they

1993
01:28:35,290 --> 01:28:33,920
make everybody safe you know yeah I

1994
01:28:37,419 --> 01:28:35,300
guess if they weren't going to do that

1995
01:28:39,459 --> 01:28:37,429
it would eventually collapse it you know

1996
01:28:41,470 --> 01:28:39,469
the best thing to do is just say we're

1997
01:28:43,870 --> 01:28:41,480
closing this down because it's unsafe

1998
01:28:45,580 --> 01:28:43,880
but you know it's certainly today in

1999
01:28:47,290 --> 01:28:45,590
America it just isn't

2000
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:47,300
doesn't seem you must be much concern

2001
01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:50,000
for infrastructure because the

2002
01:28:54,850 --> 01:28:52,760
politicians are too busy being taking

2003
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:54,860
bribes and whatever it is doing well

2004
01:29:00,430 --> 01:28:58,250
paying off the bankers yeah well before

2005
01:29:01,990 --> 01:29:00,440
we get too far along here you've

2006
01:29:04,209 --> 01:29:02,000
mentioned on a number of occasions the

2007
01:29:06,459 --> 01:29:04,219
TNT facility that plays such a prominent

2008
01:29:07,839 --> 01:29:06,469
role in the whole Mothman scenario why

2009
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:07,849
don't you give our listeners who may be

2010
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:11,090
not our RN is up to speed as we are on

2011
01:29:15,070 --> 01:29:13,250
the roll that this facility played once

2012
01:29:17,530 --> 01:29:15,080
you give us a thumbnail sketch of the

2013
01:29:21,970 --> 01:29:17,540
history of the facility when it was

2014
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:21,980
decommissioned how it it was a perfect

2015
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place I'll tell you what we'll get into

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Chris just post Andrew Calvin's our

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio we're back

2115
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with Andrew Calvin who's been mulling

2116
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over a Chris long question trying to

2117
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bring you up-to-date about the

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background of the Mothman incidents and

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everything I'm Jean Steinberg here in

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the para Cass

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Andrew called him being the author of

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the Mothman speak so you've had a chance

2123
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to digest Chris's question Andrew what's

2124
01:34:30,030 --> 01:34:26,710
your response boy

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I was looking at that j12

2126
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again it's a good page I should probably

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read it remind me again well I was just

2128
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saying for our listeners who aren't is

2129
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:38,650
up to speed about the whole Mothman

2130
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:42,330
scenario especially the lay of the land

2131
01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:45,310
yeah that plays a real pivotal role in

2132
01:34:49,710 --> 01:34:47,860
this whole scenario and for our

2133
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listeners off to speed once you give us

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a thumbnail sketch of what the facility

2135
01:34:56,250 --> 01:34:54,280
was when it was commissioned

2136
01:34:58,850 --> 01:34:56,260
decommissioned and the role that it

2137
01:35:06,620 --> 01:34:58,860
played in some of the sighting events

2138
01:35:13,170 --> 01:35:06,630
yeah it was in the early 40s to provide

2139
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:13,180
TNT and they quickly I mean it went

2140
01:35:16,590 --> 01:35:15,130
whole hog and built this place it

2141
01:35:21,180 --> 01:35:16,600
supposedly has a lot of underground

2142
01:35:23,370 --> 01:35:21,190
tunnels and things the it you know

2143
01:35:29,070 --> 01:35:23,380
produced what it produced through the

2144
01:35:31,670 --> 01:35:29,080
war and by the time of Mothman the the

2145
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:31,680
southern half of it was being used where

2146
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:33,730
half of the domes is about a hundred

2147
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:37,690
domes their munitions domes about

2148
01:35:45,050 --> 01:35:39,760
happiness of them are being used for

2149
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:45,060
some secret Navy reclamation project

2150
01:35:55,190 --> 01:35:51,520
being run by American Cyanamid the

2151
01:35:59,040 --> 01:35:55,200
northern half was run by a corporation

2152
01:36:01,520 --> 01:35:59,050
the Olin Mathiason Corporation who

2153
01:36:03,629 --> 01:36:01,530
Laurance Rockefeller is on the board of

2154
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:03,639
Olin later soul

2155
01:36:10,350 --> 01:36:09,130
the part of itself Bulova which does

2156
01:36:12,929 --> 01:36:10,360
have a connection to the RFK

2157
01:36:14,909 --> 01:36:12,939
assassination in 2/3 of the CIA guys who

2158
01:36:19,259 --> 01:36:14,919
were there who have recently been outed

2159
01:36:21,719 --> 01:36:19,269
we're using Bulova covers executive

2160
01:36:23,759 --> 01:36:21,729
covers so that another global

2161
01:36:25,139 --> 01:36:23,769
assassination connection to the

2162
01:36:27,989 --> 01:36:25,149
situation

2163
01:36:31,049 --> 01:36:27,999
apparently olan another division of olan

2164
01:36:33,569 --> 01:36:31,059
still owns the TNT area though it's

2165
01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:33,579
never really been decommissioned and the

2166
01:36:38,909 --> 01:36:35,260
domes half of the Devils are still being

2167
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,919
used today I'll bet on the 60s it was

2168
01:36:42,389 --> 01:36:40,719
much more it's much more activity going

2169
01:36:44,189 --> 01:36:42,399
on than there is now I mean now there's

2170
01:36:45,989 --> 01:36:44,199
just they're just using them for storage

2171
01:36:48,029 --> 01:36:45,999
although you never know they're some of

2172
01:36:49,739 --> 01:36:48,039
those domes might have entered entrances

2173
01:36:53,699 --> 01:36:49,749
to underground facilities that we don't

2174
01:36:56,399 --> 01:36:53,709
even know about so I hope I answered the

2175
01:37:00,120 --> 01:36:56,409
question but where was the facility in

2176
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:00,130
relation to Point Pleasant and it was a

2177
01:37:05,279 --> 01:37:03,280
vantage point I seem to remember we're

2178
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:05,289
quite a number of UFO sightings were

2179
01:37:08,219 --> 01:37:06,610
reported there and I think he all had

2180
01:37:10,290 --> 01:37:08,229
some strange red eyed thing that

2181
01:37:13,589 --> 01:37:10,300
approached his car it's been a long time

2182
01:37:15,959 --> 01:37:13,599
since I read the book but give us a kind

2183
01:37:19,379 --> 01:37:15,969
of an idea of its relationship to the

2184
01:37:21,719 --> 01:37:19,389
actual town and its location yeah I

2185
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:21,729
think it's about six miles north of town

2186
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:25,570
and it's very close to the DLA or

2187
01:37:31,770 --> 01:37:28,570
Defense Logistics property which is 80

2188
01:37:33,719 --> 01:37:31,780
some acres DLA used to be called disk

2189
01:37:36,330 --> 01:37:33,729
defense Industrial Security Command

2190
01:37:38,729 --> 01:37:36,340
which fredchristman was supposedly an

2191
01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:38,739
agent of and if you know the Torbett

2192
01:37:43,979 --> 01:37:41,289
document and JFK scenario that was the

2193
01:37:47,250 --> 01:37:43,989
disc was supposedly you know part of

2194
01:37:50,779 --> 01:37:47,260
that plot so the men in black probably

2195
01:37:53,580 --> 01:37:50,789
were reporting to the DLA facility there

2196
01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:53,590
but yeah it has a high if you go to the

2197
01:37:58,350 --> 01:37:56,169
as you get away from the river you know

2198
01:38:00,209 --> 01:37:58,360
it extends I don't know I'm trying to

2199
01:38:02,339 --> 01:38:00,219
remember how many acres it is it's

2200
01:38:04,589 --> 01:38:02,349
pretty big and there's an airport right

2201
01:38:06,389 --> 01:38:04,599
next to it which is convenient but you

2202
01:38:08,549 --> 01:38:06,399
go back from the river and you get onto

2203
01:38:10,830 --> 01:38:08,559
some hilltops ridges and that's where

2204
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:10,840
they had the water tanks for the for the

2205
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:14,289
TNT and I've speculated that they might

2206
01:38:17,010 --> 01:38:15,760
have been flying the saucers in and out

2207
01:38:20,430 --> 01:38:17,020
of one of those tanks

2208
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:20,440
if it had an empty bottom or you know

2209
01:38:23,850 --> 01:38:22,330
something now they have concrete on the

2210
01:38:26,370 --> 01:38:23,860
bottom of them but maybe in the back in

2211
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:26,380
the day they could fly stuff in and out

2212
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:27,970
because there are rumors that you know

2213
01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:29,710
there was a lot of underground activity

2214
01:38:33,930 --> 01:38:32,020
there but yeah I think Kiel did he said

2215
01:38:36,180 --> 01:38:33,940
there was a zone of fear and the TNT

2216
01:38:38,300 --> 01:38:36,190
where you would get paralyzed by some

2217
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:38,310
a.m. waves or something and there was

2218
01:38:43,770 --> 01:38:40,960
there were these balls of light that

2219
01:38:47,190 --> 01:38:43,780
seemed like they had some intelligence

2220
01:38:49,290 --> 01:38:47,200
to them and the farmers said you don't

2221
01:38:52,440 --> 01:38:49,300
mess with the lights when there when it

2222
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:52,450
turned purple there was a creature I

2223
01:39:00,480 --> 01:38:55,930
believe he's talked about he saw a

2224
01:39:00,930 --> 01:39:00,490
saucer there at one point landed on a

2225
01:39:04,020 --> 01:39:00,940
hilltop

2226
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:04,030
so and I think yet I burned from that

2227
01:39:10,350 --> 01:39:07,090
even and maybe Mary hyre saw it as well

2228
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:10,360
but apparently the barge drivers the

2229
01:39:14,430 --> 01:39:12,250
bards captains could shine their lights

2230
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:14,440
at the UFOs and the UFOs would blink on

2231
01:39:19,290 --> 01:39:16,290
and off as if they were signalling them

2232
01:39:23,010 --> 01:39:19,300
so it makes you wonder was that just

2233
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:23,020
normal messing around activity or was

2234
01:39:27,150 --> 01:39:25,840
there some complicity with the power

2235
01:39:31,260 --> 01:39:27,160
company it's because they're the ones

2236
01:39:33,930 --> 01:39:31,270
who run the barges AEP being the big one

2237
01:39:35,970 --> 01:39:33,940
today the controls a lot of the traffic

2238
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:35,980
they ship a lot of the oil on the river

2239
01:39:43,470 --> 01:39:39,250
I know a barge captain so he's told me

2240
01:39:44,820 --> 01:39:43,480
he actually had some he actually said

2241
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:44,830
the Mothman touched him when he was a

2242
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:47,530
kid at this same spot where a lot of us

2243
01:39:52,410 --> 01:39:50,710
saw Mothman and it apparently followed

2244
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:52,420
him to my house because he was at my

2245
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:56,890
house in 73 when my pictures sister took

2246
01:40:00,480 --> 01:39:58,330
this picture that has a thing in the

2247
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:00,490
window looks a lot like a Garuda or

2248
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:04,480
Thunderbird so that's a very odd part of

2249
01:40:08,370 --> 01:40:06,880
this stories look what was that thing in

2250
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,380
the window why did we have nightmares

2251
01:40:12,210 --> 01:40:10,480
about the window been in black

2252
01:40:14,850 --> 01:40:12,220
nightmares I've always had men in black

2253
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:14,860
nightmares my sister and I have the same

2254
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:17,410
nightmare so we we think that maybe we

2255
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:18,850
were interrogated in the middle of the

2256
01:40:23,340 --> 01:40:20,650
night using the drugs and hypnosis

2257
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:23,350
although I don't think it worked on me

2258
01:40:27,970 --> 01:40:25,600
because I was too young I think to be

2259
01:40:31,210 --> 01:40:27,980
hypnotized

2260
01:40:33,850 --> 01:40:31,220
and my dad was stationed to Norfolk

2261
01:40:35,530 --> 01:40:33,860
during the Philadelphia Experiment he

2262
01:40:37,540 --> 01:40:35,540
never said he had any involvement in it

2263
01:40:39,250 --> 01:40:37,550
but it's possible that they were

2264
01:40:41,620 --> 01:40:39,260
watching us because maybe he knew

2265
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:41,630
something or maybe he was just you know

2266
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:43,930
working on something a carbide that was

2267
01:40:50,230 --> 01:40:46,850
off-limits and they were just constantly

2268
01:40:53,110 --> 01:40:50,240
checking on people to see if they you

2269
01:40:55,540 --> 01:40:53,120
know had leaked taken documents or who

2270
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:55,550
knows was because I know Harriet's hairy

2271
01:40:58,450 --> 01:40:57,170
stab was best friends with my dad and

2272
01:41:01,570 --> 01:40:58,460
her dad was definitely working on a

2273
01:41:04,150 --> 01:41:01,580
secret project an NSA project in West

2274
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:04,160
Virginia where they downloaded all the

2275
01:41:08,650 --> 01:41:05,690
information from the internet and stuff

2276
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:08,660
today so they were watching us there

2277
01:41:15,580 --> 01:41:11,570
were definitely CIA people living in the

2278
01:41:18,820 --> 01:41:15,590
neighborhood and it was a just a weird

2279
01:41:20,260 --> 01:41:18,830
time very strange time and I think a lot

2280
01:41:22,630 --> 01:41:20,270
of that stuff's been exported to other

2281
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:22,640
parts of the country now but there's

2282
01:41:26,710 --> 01:41:24,650
there's clearly some stuff that's still

2283
01:41:28,570 --> 01:41:26,720
going on in West Virginia particularly

2284
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:28,580
up in the northern part where you have

2285
01:41:33,850 --> 01:41:30,890
these the new FBI facility and different

2286
01:41:36,340 --> 01:41:33,860
it's called a technology so they get

2287
01:41:38,890 --> 01:41:36,350
special tax breaks and things in West

2288
01:41:41,050 --> 01:41:38,900
Virginia to do that kind of research now

2289
01:41:44,020 --> 01:41:41,060
how close was the Union Carbide facility

2290
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:44,030
to all this activity was right there I

2291
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:46,130
mean literally at the bottom of my road

2292
01:41:51,670 --> 01:41:49,760
is the carbide plant that's one car by

2293
01:41:54,190 --> 01:41:51,680
plant there's there's also the vaunted

2294
01:41:56,050 --> 01:41:54,200
Institute's which is very similar to the

2295
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:56,060
one in Germany where they were the doora

2296
01:41:59,530 --> 01:41:57,650
facility in Germany where they were

2297
01:42:01,890 --> 01:41:59,540
supposedly building the saucers that it

2298
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:01,900
also produced the synthetic rubber and

2299
01:42:05,650 --> 01:42:05,030
gasoline and might have been used as a

2300
01:42:07,930 --> 01:42:05,660
cover

2301
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:07,940
in fact that's related to this page I

2302
01:42:11,530 --> 01:42:09,920
found is that there's a guy named

2303
01:42:12,790 --> 01:42:11,540
William Dean Ross he's written a couple

2304
01:42:14,260 --> 01:42:12,800
of articles that have been floating

2305
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:14,270
around the internet for a while he said

2306
01:42:20,650 --> 01:42:16,400
he worked at Institute for the

2307
01:42:22,570 --> 01:42:20,660
government for the NSA at West Virginia

2308
01:42:24,190 --> 01:42:22,580
State College which is right there it's

2309
01:42:26,050 --> 01:42:24,200
an old mound area was once owned by

2310
01:42:27,550 --> 01:42:26,060
George Washington in fact most of that

2311
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:27,560
land between point plus and Charleston

2312
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:29,330
was was owned by George Washington at

2313
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:33,770
one time and he says that Ross says that

2314
01:42:38,830 --> 01:42:36,290
the human potential foundation was

2315
01:42:41,649 --> 01:42:38,840
involved in mj-12 and that they were

2316
01:42:44,049 --> 01:42:41,659
there at Institute doing some work

2317
01:42:46,989 --> 01:42:44,059
tax research which if you know the Nazi

2318
01:42:49,239 --> 01:42:46,999
bail is based on the vortex creating a

2319
01:42:51,429 --> 01:42:49,249
synthetic vortex these sort of makes

2320
01:42:54,549 --> 01:42:51,439
starts to make sense that they had one

2321
01:42:57,159 --> 01:42:54,559
of these Bell weapons and he mentions

2322
01:42:58,509 --> 01:42:57,169
the he Ross says he was at the KC Center

2323
01:43:00,339 --> 01:42:58,519
in Virginia Beach Ray overheard

2324
01:43:03,819 --> 01:43:00,349
discussions about a meeting in Sweden in

2325
01:43:05,890 --> 01:43:03,829
1989 with a Walter dr. Walter up off the

2326
01:43:07,149 --> 01:43:05,900
meeting involves CIA and KGB agents who

2327
01:43:19,509 --> 01:43:07,159
were calling up the ghost of Albert

2328
01:43:21,699 --> 01:43:19,519
Einstein on a TV rather strange I'll

2329
01:43:24,250 --> 01:43:21,709
tell you folks we have a lot of strange

2330
01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:24,260
things happening on the power cast we've

2331
01:43:29,290 --> 01:43:26,510
got what five and a half years of

2332
01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:29,300
evidence pretty wacky stuff but some of

2333
01:43:33,250 --> 01:43:31,550
this is yen walkie Rob said the man

2334
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,260
attending that Swedish meeting were CB

2335
01:43:36,429 --> 01:43:34,880
Scott Jones and John Alexander the

2336
01:43:38,529 --> 01:43:36,439
famous remote viewing military office

2337
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,539
also there was a telekinesis expert

2338
01:43:43,209 --> 01:43:40,400
there from West Virginia University

2339
01:43:45,310 --> 01:43:43,219
Oleg Jessa Minko so there are West

2340
01:43:47,259 --> 01:43:45,320
Virginia links to mj-12 in the aviary

2341
01:43:49,390 --> 01:43:47,269
the aviary is the secret group

2342
01:43:51,580 --> 01:43:49,400
supposedly directing mj-12 and the whole

2343
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:51,590
Roswell cover-up he ever seeing names to

2344
01:43:54,339 --> 01:43:53,090
connect the twenty cent 20 century's

2345
01:43:57,759 --> 01:43:54,349
biggest you have for his story

2346
01:43:59,890 --> 01:43:57,769
mj-12 to mop men the largest American

2347
01:44:01,359 --> 01:43:59,900
UFO flap ever recorded paralleled the

2348
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:01,369
Mothman sightings the largest

2349
01:44:04,449 --> 01:44:04,010
concentrations of UFOs were in the Ohio

2350
01:44:06,310 --> 01:44:04,459
Valley

2351
01:44:07,929 --> 01:44:06,320
however the flap was left out of the

2352
01:44:09,580 --> 01:44:07,939
Rockefeller Foundation's quote

2353
01:44:11,379 --> 01:44:09,590
definitive study of UFOs

2354
01:44:13,779 --> 01:44:11,389
perhaps because those were real

2355
01:44:14,890 --> 01:44:13,789
sightings of early drone aircraft now

2356
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:14,900
I'll tell you what we'll get into much

2357
01:44:19,209 --> 01:44:17,510
more of this because we can't stop with

2358
01:44:21,279 --> 01:44:19,219
Andrew Calvin the book is a moth man

2359
01:44:23,290 --> 01:44:21,289
speaks you're hearing from Jean

2360
01:44:24,710 --> 01:44:23,300
Steinberg and Chris O'Brien you're in

2361
01:44:33,410 --> 01:44:24,720
the para gas

2362
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:36,050
are you tired of searching for great

2363
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:39,090
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2364
01:44:45,290 --> 01:44:43,770
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2365
01:44:47,180 --> 01:44:45,300
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2366
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2367
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2372
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2377
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2378
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again that's juicy and live.com hi this

2379
01:45:13,850 --> 01:45:12,300
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

2380
01:45:15,530 --> 01:45:13,860
why banks stockbrokers investment

2381
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:15,540
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

2382
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:17,610
they've been available since 1986 yet

2383
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:19,199
the financial industry won't recognize

2384
01:45:22,850 --> 01:45:20,610
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2385
01:45:24,770 --> 01:45:22,860
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2386
01:45:36,220 --> 01:45:24,780
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2387
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2388
01:45:53,290 --> 01:45:48,440
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2389
01:45:58,910 --> 01:45:53,300
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2390
01:46:01,040 --> 01:45:58,920
here's Jean Steinberg Wow

2391
01:46:03,620 --> 01:46:01,050
coming down the finish line for more

2392
01:46:05,060 --> 01:46:03,630
segments to go with Andrew Calvin this

2393
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:05,070
and I'm having a great time

2394
01:46:13,610 --> 01:46:07,650
Nikki and and you're just you're blowing

2395
01:46:15,290 --> 01:46:13,620
my mind dude so basically it's all

2396
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:15,300
Mothman all the time

2397
01:46:21,980 --> 01:46:18,000
Mothman was responsible for everything

2398
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:21,990
all the conspiracies no not at all no

2399
01:46:26,540 --> 01:46:24,170
he's not responsible for them I just

2400
01:46:30,620 --> 01:46:26,550
sometimes I make those kinds of

2401
01:46:33,380 --> 01:46:30,630
references you know clearly vortex

2402
01:46:34,850 --> 01:46:33,390
research at West Virginia State doesn't

2403
01:46:36,620 --> 01:46:34,860
really have anything what the deal with

2404
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:36,630
Mothman other than that was sort of

2405
01:46:43,850 --> 01:46:40,080
Mothman Slayer but I guess the point is

2406
01:46:46,010 --> 01:46:43,860
that my initial idea was just to look at

2407
01:46:47,570 --> 01:46:46,020
Mothman the Mothman sightings where they

2408
01:46:50,150 --> 01:46:47,580
happen first just look at where they

2409
01:46:52,610 --> 01:46:50,160
happen look at the progression look at

2410
01:46:55,070 --> 01:46:52,620
the people that saw him try to find out

2411
01:46:57,380 --> 01:46:55,080
what kind of people were these that sort

2412
01:47:00,890 --> 01:46:57,390
of thing it's very simple stuff and then

2413
01:47:03,410 --> 01:47:00,900
it just seemed like these sightings all

2414
01:47:05,930 --> 01:47:03,420
had to do with you know petrochemicals

2415
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:05,940
and different conspiracies and labor

2416
01:47:11,330 --> 01:47:08,730
unrest and you name it I mean it's just

2417
01:47:13,070 --> 01:47:11,340
it and it always seemed to sort of go

2418
01:47:18,190 --> 01:47:13,080
back to the Rockefellers who you know

2419
01:47:21,860 --> 01:47:18,200
are big mind-control UFO exotic aircraft

2420
01:47:23,810 --> 01:47:21,870
guys they're probably profiting

2421
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:23,820
somebody's making money on these drones

2422
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:26,010
that they're making there's a big

2423
01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:28,080
expansion plan for these for these

2424
01:47:32,990 --> 01:47:31,110
things in anything new like that nobody

2425
01:47:37,370 --> 01:47:33,000
knows how to do it's gonna be an

2426
01:47:38,690 --> 01:47:37,380
expensive ticket item well some some

2427
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:38,700
questions here after you're done

2428
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:42,000
explaining what your you're talking

2429
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:44,370
about here we've got a bunch of very

2430
01:47:49,340 --> 01:47:46,770
good questions from our forum posters

2431
01:47:50,180 --> 01:47:49,350
and I didn't mean to interrupt but why

2432
01:47:52,010 --> 01:47:50,190
don't you go ahead and finish your

2433
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:52,020
thought and we're gonna start in on some

2434
01:47:57,169 --> 01:47:54,000
some pretty compelling questions I think

2435
01:47:59,870 --> 01:47:57,179
you'll appreciate yeah I've got I could

2436
01:48:02,179 --> 01:47:59,880
go on another paragraph on that mj-12

2437
01:48:03,770 --> 01:48:02,189
thing but we can if was if there's a

2438
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:03,780
dead spot I guess we can do that but

2439
01:48:09,020 --> 01:48:05,760
let's go ahead with the question okay

2440
01:48:11,779 --> 01:48:09,030
this comes from a new sign up

2441
01:48:13,310 --> 01:48:11,789
he's only been opposed to here for the

2442
01:48:15,919 --> 01:48:13,320
last month but he asked the first

2443
01:48:18,949 --> 01:48:15,929
question and that is and do you believe

2444
01:48:21,739 --> 01:48:18,959
that Mothman is a supernatural entity or

2445
01:48:24,020 --> 01:48:21,749
a flesh-and-blood creature and then his

2446
01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:24,030
follow-up question is who or what was

2447
01:48:29,709 --> 01:48:26,729
Indrid cold short answer yeah I think

2448
01:48:35,149 --> 01:48:29,719
he's supernatural and injured called was

2449
01:48:37,819 --> 01:48:35,159
a I he was perhaps well he's a man in

2450
01:48:41,089 --> 01:48:37,829
black is probably a government agent may

2451
01:48:43,939 --> 01:48:41,099
have been operating out of the his

2452
01:48:45,979 --> 01:48:43,949
planet laniel owes I think because if

2453
01:48:48,589 --> 01:48:45,989
you spell laniel it's backwards it reads

2454
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:48,599
saloon all which is what the kind of

2455
01:48:52,429 --> 01:48:50,010
research they were doing in Bariloche

2456
01:48:55,759 --> 01:48:52,439
Argentina overall the not see a lot of

2457
01:49:00,290 --> 01:48:55,769
Nazis went apparently Hitler even mingle

2458
01:49:02,419 --> 01:49:00,300
those guys they had a nuclear reactor

2459
01:49:04,370 --> 01:49:02,429
there right after the war that was

2460
01:49:07,969 --> 01:49:04,380
probably where laniel oath was and it's

2461
01:49:10,250 --> 01:49:07,979
described as being a jungle place that

2462
01:49:13,129 --> 01:49:10,260
had some high technology so I think he

2463
01:49:14,929 --> 01:49:13,139
was perhaps working with the paperclip

2464
01:49:17,839 --> 01:49:14,939
scientists who were working on the UFOs

2465
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:17,849
and his job was to you know maybe fly

2466
01:49:22,759 --> 01:49:20,729
one around test it out create some havoc

2467
01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:22,769
in the area clearly was hypnotizing

2468
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:26,280
people so he sort of falls into that

2469
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:27,840
thing we were talking about earlier

2470
01:49:30,919 --> 01:49:29,610
where you you know make people believe

2471
01:49:33,949 --> 01:49:30,929
that they've been abducted by aliens

2472
01:49:36,020 --> 01:49:33,959
when they really weren't right so he was

2473
01:49:38,449 --> 01:49:36,030
a very talented disinformation agent

2474
01:49:41,029 --> 01:49:38,459
that happened to have his saucer pilot's

2475
01:49:43,009 --> 01:49:41,039
license yeah and and we think he was

2476
01:49:45,979 --> 01:49:43,019
named after you know that's obviously a

2477
01:49:48,739 --> 01:49:45,989
fake name it either refers to Indra

2478
01:49:51,140 --> 01:49:48,749
which has a relationship to the Garuda

2479
01:49:53,509 --> 01:49:51,150
in Hindu lore or he may have been named

2480
01:49:56,899 --> 01:49:53,519
after email Codell who was the Nazis

2481
01:50:01,040 --> 01:49:56,909
most famous spy who was arrested in West

2482
01:50:03,529 --> 01:50:01,050
Virginia in 43 and he was posing as a

2483
01:50:05,450 --> 01:50:03,539
film projectionist which is what grey

2484
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:05,460
Barker did you know

2485
01:50:10,740 --> 01:50:08,290
we can't find we can't find anything on

2486
01:50:13,590 --> 01:50:10,750
the guy he's like the greatest Nazi spy

2487
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:13,600
spying on us ordnance to facilities

2488
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:17,170
which the TNT area was and yet after he

2489
01:50:21,660 --> 01:50:19,840
was arrested and held it supposedly went

2490
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:21,670
to prison for 15 years we did haven't

2491
01:50:25,590 --> 01:50:23,290
heard a word about him we can't find

2492
01:50:28,110 --> 01:50:25,600
we've actually petitioned Freedom of

2493
01:50:31,170 --> 01:50:28,120
Information documents and we got we got

2494
01:50:34,050 --> 01:50:31,180
nothing interesting well here's a

2495
01:50:36,570 --> 01:50:34,060
question from Blowfish who's a very very

2496
01:50:38,580 --> 01:50:36,580
enthusiastic poster and does quite a bit

2497
01:50:41,790 --> 01:50:38,590
of posting at the forum dr. Perik asked

2498
01:50:43,980 --> 01:50:41,800
calm and he says mr. Colvin did you ever

2499
01:50:45,780 --> 01:50:43,990
get any cattle mutilations around the

2500
01:50:47,730 --> 01:50:45,790
hot spots of these so-called Mothman

2501
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:47,740
encounters and that's a question I'd be

2502
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:49,210
interested in hearing the answer to as

2503
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:51,850
well what qu'il talks about yeah he

2504
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:53,110
definitely says that they are happening

2505
01:50:58,160 --> 01:50:54,790
there by the way a better word for

2506
01:51:01,410 --> 01:50:58,170
cattle mutilations is biogeochemistry

2507
01:51:03,420 --> 01:51:01,420
1980 David DeWitt wrote a blistering

2508
01:51:06,660 --> 01:51:03,430
article and pursuit which was edited by

2509
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:06,670
Kia where he lays out how mining

2510
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:10,110
companies oil companies have this

2511
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:13,050
biogeochemistry that's kept very secret

2512
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:17,890
where they use animals that are they

2513
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:19,810
don't necessarily kill them but as soon

2514
01:51:25,050 --> 01:51:22,210
as an animal dies like a cat like a cow

2515
01:51:28,350 --> 01:51:25,060
if it's on a ranch or an area where

2516
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:28,360
they're they're suspect there's valuable

2517
01:51:33,540 --> 01:51:31,360
minerals under underground they can test

2518
01:51:35,250 --> 01:51:33,550
the meat of the cow and find out through

2519
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:35,260
the minerals that have leached up into

2520
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:37,330
the plants exactly what's under the

2521
01:51:41,580 --> 01:51:37,770
ground

2522
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:41,590
so prospecting with cattle tongues yeah

2523
01:51:46,530 --> 01:51:45,130
yeah it's not yeah that's exactly what

2524
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:46,540
it is and and there's a whole

2525
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:48,730
methodology for it there's there's books

2526
01:51:54,630 --> 01:51:52,330
on it it's a fascinating article and

2527
01:51:56,490 --> 01:51:54,640
I've been meaning to get it on the net

2528
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:56,500
so more people can read it it was a huge

2529
01:52:00,480 --> 01:51:58,960
pushback coming from Jerome Jerome Clark

2530
01:52:03,420 --> 01:52:00,490
and some other people who actually

2531
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:03,430
Jerome actually changed claimed it was e

2532
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:06,970
t--'s doing it he rather than admit that

2533
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:08,800
it might be Commonwealth Edison I mean

2534
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:10,170
the would actually named some

2535
01:52:14,850 --> 01:52:12,730
corporations rather than admit that it

2536
01:52:18,090 --> 01:52:14,860
was oil companies or power companies

2537
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:18,100
Jerome Clarke said it was ETS so you

2538
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:19,090
know I don't know that he's

2539
01:52:24,300 --> 01:52:21,250
taken a position on any other issues

2540
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:24,310
he's gotten pretty agnostic about the

2541
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:26,280
whole thing over the last few years

2542
01:52:30,660 --> 01:52:28,570
here's another question from Blowfish

2543
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:30,670
did you ever find in the witness

2544
01:52:34,919 --> 01:52:32,650
testimonies any correlation to other

2545
01:52:37,470 --> 01:52:34,929
strange awareness such as UFO encounters

2546
01:52:41,100 --> 01:52:37,480
like radiation burns and a bright glow

2547
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:41,110
prior to an encounter in some cases with

2548
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:43,810
with the Mothman encounter or a UFO

2549
01:52:51,089 --> 01:52:47,290
encounter either or both I'll go in the

2550
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:51,099
area I didn't catch all of that all that

2551
01:52:55,530 --> 01:52:53,770
can you read it again I want you to just

2552
01:52:57,209 --> 01:52:55,540
explain it to him and then we'll have to

2553
01:52:59,459 --> 01:52:57,219
go to the next segment go ahead okay

2554
01:53:02,760 --> 01:52:59,469
well it's it's kind of written weird but

2555
01:53:05,250 --> 01:53:02,770
he he's wondering if there were if there

2556
01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:05,260
were any UFO encounters and other

2557
01:53:11,010 --> 01:53:08,710
strange events that featured radiation

2558
01:53:14,339 --> 01:53:11,020
burns or some sort of bright glow prior

2559
01:53:16,350 --> 01:53:14,349
to an encounter with Mothman or or a UFO

2560
01:53:19,470 --> 01:53:16,360
sighting it's a kind of an obscure

2561
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:19,480
question but he's looking for I don't

2562
01:53:24,060 --> 01:53:21,130
know about prior but certainly after

2563
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:24,070
there were burned yeah yeah the gray

2564
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:26,560
marker has a story called burned by UFO

2565
01:53:32,899 --> 01:53:30,190
and in his book of saucers and I think

2566
01:53:35,939 --> 01:53:32,909
he'll has one called blinded burned and

2567
01:53:38,879 --> 01:53:35,949
injured by UFOs in one of his saga

2568
01:53:41,790 --> 01:53:38,889
articles so definitely and that you know

2569
01:53:44,910 --> 01:53:41,800
goes along with the Bell weapon type

2570
01:53:47,609 --> 01:53:44,920
technology where it would indeed burn

2571
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:47,619
you could even melt you or cook your

2572
01:53:52,530 --> 01:53:49,920
meat on your bones as you stood there

2573
01:53:53,790 --> 01:53:52,540
depending on what was happening there

2574
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:53,800
was a lot of those cases in South

2575
01:53:59,100 --> 01:53:56,010
America that in LA and get in

2576
01:54:03,270 --> 01:53:59,110
investigated so and that happened to be

2577
01:54:06,839 --> 01:54:03,280
also possibly a South America cases I

2578
01:54:09,540 --> 01:54:06,849
think are linked to to the mineral

2579
01:54:12,300 --> 01:54:09,550
testing as well because at that time in

2580
01:54:14,330 --> 01:54:12,310
the late 60s when when that guy in South

2581
01:54:17,550 --> 01:54:14,340
America got the meat cooked on his bones

2582
01:54:19,290 --> 01:54:17,560
that was right when they were the

2583
01:54:22,919 --> 01:54:19,300
Rockefellers had developed through

2584
01:54:25,290 --> 01:54:22,929
Goodyear a sideways radar system that

2585
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:25,300
they had put into a into planes where

2586
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:29,440
they could shoot out some kind of e em

2587
01:54:33,069 --> 01:54:32,650
waves that could find oil under the

2588
01:54:35,500 --> 01:54:33,079
ground

2589
01:54:37,779 --> 01:54:35,510
and they had to fly them under the tree

2590
01:54:39,939 --> 01:54:37,789
under the jungle canopy for it to work

2591
01:54:43,079 --> 01:54:39,949
so you had these little drone craft that

2592
01:54:45,849 --> 01:54:43,089
we're seeing flying all over right

2593
01:54:48,250 --> 01:54:45,859
yeah the toothless those are I think for

2594
01:54:51,699 --> 01:54:48,260
the same kind of scenario okay here's a

2595
01:54:53,799 --> 01:54:51,709
question from angel Angelo who was one

2596
01:54:56,229 --> 01:54:53,809
of our former moderators at the force

2597
01:54:57,489 --> 01:54:56,239
still a moderator Chris while he is okay

2598
01:54:59,439 --> 01:54:57,499
you know I see his name that says

2599
01:55:01,869 --> 01:54:59,449
moderator still so he's still hanging in

2600
01:55:05,259 --> 01:55:01,879
there and he's one of our more skeptical

2601
01:55:07,839 --> 01:55:05,269
posters and of course he true to his

2602
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:07,849
skepticism he's asking some some

2603
01:55:11,889 --> 01:55:09,530
interesting questions first one is why

2604
01:55:13,540 --> 01:55:11,899
is it that the Mothman is associated so

2605
01:55:15,369 --> 01:55:13,550
closely with the Silver Bridge collapse

2606
01:55:18,329 --> 01:55:15,379
even though it happened a year after the

2607
01:55:21,009 --> 01:55:18,339
sightings Mothman was seen in November

2608
01:55:24,939 --> 01:55:21,019
1966 the ridge clap - right around

2609
01:55:26,589 --> 01:55:24,949
December Christmas of 67 let's let's

2610
01:55:28,599 --> 01:55:26,599
hold the answer to that and the

2611
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:28,609
explanations for our next segment we

2612
01:55:34,570 --> 01:55:31,129
have Andrew Calvin pom Jean with Chris

2613
01:55:41,300 --> 01:55:34,580
you're in the para cast

2614
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:43,770
you expect professional service from

2615
01:55:47,250 --> 01:55:45,730
your doctor your accountant and even the

2616
01:55:49,410 --> 01:55:47,260
girl who takes your morning coffee order

2617
01:55:52,020 --> 01:55:49,420
why not from your domain registrar to

2618
01:55:53,550 --> 01:55:52,030
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2620
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2627
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2628
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:12,340
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2629
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podcasts clean up the soundtrack of that

2630
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holiday video mix together a few takes

2631
01:56:20,940 --> 01:56:19,150
from your last jamming session process

2632
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:20,950
the audio files of the video game you're

2633
01:56:23,370 --> 01:56:22,960
creating to sound just right but look no

2634
01:56:25,170 --> 01:56:23,380
further

2635
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:25,180
whatever audio related tasks you're

2636
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:27,730
looking to perform Amadeus pro is the

2637
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:30,010
tool for you it's the Swiss Army knife

2638
01:56:37,500 --> 01:56:33,850
of sound editing go to harris ofcom h AI

2639
01:56:38,850 --> 01:56:37,510
r e our soft calm have you ever felt

2640
01:56:40,290 --> 01:56:38,860
like the United States government knows

2641
01:56:42,270 --> 01:56:40,300
way too much about your financial

2642
01:56:44,670 --> 01:56:42,280
affairs I continue to hear stories about

2643
01:56:46,980 --> 01:56:44,680
property seizures frozen bank accounts

2644
01:56:48,690 --> 01:56:46,990
confiscation of stocks and bonds it

2645
01:56:50,250 --> 01:56:48,700
makes me wonder if the US citizen will

2646
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:50,260
ever again have the right to life

2647
01:56:54,510 --> 01:56:52,410
liberty and the pursuit of happiness

2648
01:56:56,270 --> 01:56:54,520
unfortunately with the drug and money

2649
01:56:59,220 --> 01:56:56,280
laundering Act the IRS Revenue Ruling

2650
01:57:00,380 --> 01:56:59,230
60-45 of 1984 and the trading with the

2651
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:00,390
enemy Act in Franklin D Roosevelt

2652
01:57:05,250 --> 01:57:03,520
executive order of 1933 some precious

2653
01:57:07,470 --> 01:57:05,260
metal holdings are subject to government

2654
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:07,480
intervention for this reason Midas

2655
01:57:10,650 --> 01:57:08,890
Resources has prepared a report

2656
01:57:12,570 --> 01:57:10,660
exploiting the boundaries of trading

2657
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:12,580
precious metals privately whether if you

2658
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have any intention of trading with Midas

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2740
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2741
02:00:39,500 --> 02:00:37,619
the answers you want Chris was asking a

2742
02:00:43,189 --> 02:00:39,510
question from one of our moderators

2743
02:00:45,439 --> 02:00:43,199
Layne Jalloh about the timing of the

2744
02:00:47,209 --> 02:00:45,449
Mothman sightings and the crash of the

2745
02:00:49,419 --> 02:00:47,219
Silver Bridge you want to expand on that

2746
02:00:52,040 --> 02:00:49,429
question before we get the answer Chris

2747
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:52,050
well I think Mothman was actually seen

2748
02:00:56,120 --> 02:00:54,090
over an extended period of time there

2749
02:00:58,280 --> 02:00:56,130
were a number of sightings but the ones

2750
02:01:01,879 --> 02:00:58,290
that are I think most notorious are the

2751
02:01:03,530 --> 02:01:01,889
ones from late 66 so why do we have a

2752
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:03,540
connection this is kind of what Angelo's

2753
02:01:09,020 --> 02:01:06,690
point is I think is why the you know

2754
02:01:10,790 --> 02:01:09,030
John keel and others have have so

2755
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:10,800
closely associated the collapse of that

2756
02:01:18,379 --> 02:01:13,920
bridge with these sightings I know the

2757
02:01:20,030 --> 02:01:18,389
answer though but go ahead well I I was

2758
02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:20,040
I'd like to know the answer I think it

2759
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:23,130
doesn't it may be related to the

2760
02:01:29,089 --> 02:01:25,290
cornstalk curse that somebody wanted to

2761
02:01:31,790 --> 02:01:29,099
focus on that kind of aspect I don't

2762
02:01:34,669 --> 02:01:31,800
think there's a connection other than

2763
02:01:37,010 --> 02:01:34,679
Mothman may have wanted again to show up

2764
02:01:39,890 --> 02:01:37,020
in a spot that would that would link in

2765
02:01:41,780 --> 02:01:39,900
to other spots that might send a message

2766
02:01:43,820 --> 02:01:41,790
a cosmic message of some kind for

2767
02:01:44,270 --> 02:01:43,830
investigators to follow I don't think he

2768
02:01:48,050 --> 02:01:44,280
did it

2769
02:01:50,359 --> 02:01:48,060
I don't I think that it actually that

2770
02:01:52,669 --> 02:01:50,369
that story that connection that someone

2771
02:01:55,490 --> 02:01:52,679
made you know maybe a way to demonize

2772
02:01:58,040 --> 02:01:55,500
Mothman and focus on him instead of

2773
02:01:59,750 --> 02:01:58,050
other reasons why the bridge may have

2774
02:02:01,459 --> 02:01:59,760
come down particularly if there was

2775
02:02:04,669 --> 02:02:01,469
something under the TNT area that made

2776
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:04,679
it the vibrated it and and you see a lot

2777
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:06,770
of this in the media demonizing Mothman

2778
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:09,330
Loren Coleman's actually you know claim

2779
02:02:13,939 --> 02:02:11,130
the Mothman at times has killed people

2780
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:13,949
and it definitely implied that he had

2781
02:02:17,209 --> 02:02:15,090
killed people and there's just no

2782
02:02:19,250 --> 02:02:17,219
evidence for that stuff at all well what

2783
02:02:21,260 --> 02:02:19,260
about the supposed curse of the Mothman

2784
02:02:22,430 --> 02:02:21,270
movie and these all these people that

2785
02:02:25,180 --> 02:02:22,440
have supposedly died they were

2786
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:25,190
associated with the movie and and

2787
02:02:29,170 --> 02:02:28,010
aspects of the case do you how much do

2788
02:02:29,740 --> 02:02:29,180
you know about that would you care to

2789
02:02:33,130 --> 02:02:29,750
comment

2790
02:02:35,890 --> 02:02:33,140
well keel you never know what editors

2791
02:02:38,770 --> 02:02:35,900
have changed because the never there's

2792
02:02:40,330 --> 02:02:38,780
only been I can't think of maybe one or

2793
02:02:42,729 --> 02:02:40,340
two people that are on the bridge there

2794
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:42,739
were actual Mothman witnesses I mean and

2795
02:02:47,620 --> 02:02:44,960
and and then somehow that got changed to

2796
02:02:49,060 --> 02:02:47,630
some of the bridge victims of in many of

2797
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:49,070
the bridge victims but you never hear

2798
02:02:53,740 --> 02:02:51,290
their names so there's no real proof

2799
02:02:56,140 --> 02:02:53,750
that more than a couple of people on the

2800
02:02:57,640 --> 02:02:56,150
bridge saw Mothman how about the strange

2801
02:03:00,300 --> 02:02:57,650
deaths of people involved in the

2802
02:03:02,830 --> 02:03:00,310
production of the the movie yeah that

2803
02:03:05,110 --> 02:03:02,840
okay would you explain who died who was

2804
02:03:07,570 --> 02:03:05,120
in the movie obviously we know that

2805
02:03:10,479 --> 02:03:07,580
Richard Gere is still here right yeah

2806
02:03:12,010 --> 02:03:10,489
well just over the years since the

2807
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:12,020
movies come out every once in a while I

2808
02:03:17,530 --> 02:03:14,000
see a post that that's associated in

2809
02:03:20,290 --> 02:03:17,540
some strange death with some involvement

2810
02:03:22,030 --> 02:03:20,300
the Mothman scenario especially the the

2811
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:22,040
production of the movie that I think

2812
02:03:26,350 --> 02:03:24,410
came out in what 2002 if I remember well

2813
02:03:28,030 --> 02:03:26,360
the only thing strange about it was was

2814
02:03:29,950 --> 02:03:28,040
that the directors wife sort of died

2815
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:29,960
with a head something involving her head

2816
02:03:33,670 --> 02:03:31,370
I can't remember it was a tumor or

2817
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:33,680
something it's somewhat similar to the

2818
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:36,110
movie but all those clothes are coming

2819
02:03:42,939 --> 02:03:39,010
from Loren Coleman who seems to have an

2820
02:03:45,189 --> 02:03:42,949
interest in obituaries and death and I

2821
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:45,199
don't I don't put much stock I don't I

2822
02:03:50,380 --> 02:03:47,330
don't see the connection well the main

2823
02:03:53,500 --> 02:03:50,390
stars obviously Richard Gere is still

2824
02:03:55,930 --> 02:03:53,510
here and Laura Linney and will Patton

2825
02:03:58,270 --> 02:03:55,940
he's appears on that other TV show

2826
02:04:03,760 --> 02:03:58,280
falling skies the director mark

2827
02:04:05,979 --> 02:04:03,770
pellington is still here I believe dig

2828
02:04:08,290 --> 02:04:05,989
him up but as far as Mothman goes I mean

2829
02:04:11,020 --> 02:04:08,300
he was the first sighting I've heard I

2830
02:04:12,910 --> 02:04:11,030
was 1961 and it was in or the blaine

2831
02:04:16,270 --> 02:04:12,920
island plant where my dad worked where I

2832
02:04:18,010 --> 02:04:16,280
lived and I met the guy last year at the

2833
02:04:21,490 --> 02:04:18,020
Mothman festival he said it was passing

2834
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:21,500
papers and saw Mothman so you know they

2835
02:04:26,170 --> 02:04:24,560
started in the early 60s in the modern

2836
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:26,180
era you know if you got the old you got

2837
02:04:30,370 --> 02:04:27,650
the ancient stories of the Thunderbird

2838
02:04:33,580 --> 02:04:30,380
and all that but 61 and then continuing

2839
02:04:35,500 --> 02:04:33,590
on wait you know up until today I've got

2840
02:04:37,669 --> 02:04:35,510
people that sum up man

2841
02:04:41,370 --> 02:04:37,679
last year the year before and

2842
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:41,380
73 was a big year for sightings in the

2843
02:04:49,319 --> 02:04:45,760
early 80s apparently was he was seeing

2844
02:04:53,359 --> 02:04:49,329
over the Fukushima plant chernobyl night

2845
02:04:56,010 --> 02:04:53,369
you know long and short of it is the

2846
02:04:58,080 --> 02:04:56,020
tradition of equating Mothman with a

2847
02:05:00,540 --> 02:04:58,090
silver bridge is that a red herring I

2848
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:00,550
don't think in the way that they're

2849
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:01,570
doing it

2850
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:05,440
yeah I didn't end anything it didn't it

2851
02:05:09,870 --> 02:05:07,810
it's just that there might be there

2852
02:05:11,729 --> 02:05:09,880
might be a conspiracy involved with the

2853
02:05:14,399 --> 02:05:11,739
bridge collapse and Mothman may have

2854
02:05:16,439 --> 02:05:14,409
appeared there to point at that that's

2855
02:05:19,260 --> 02:05:16,449
about it as far as I can tell

2856
02:05:21,270 --> 02:05:19,270
well angelos seems to think that Mothman

2857
02:05:23,250 --> 02:05:21,280
is easily explained away and his last

2858
02:05:25,950 --> 02:05:23,260
question is also the barn owl

2859
02:05:27,419 --> 02:05:25,960
explanation is pretty spot-on why do we

2860
02:05:28,260 --> 02:05:27,429
need the Mothman when it's so easily

2861
02:05:30,180 --> 02:05:28,270
explained away

2862
02:05:33,140 --> 02:05:30,190
can we just consider it a work of

2863
02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:33,150
fiction by gray Barker and John keel

2864
02:05:39,750 --> 02:05:36,130
well it's only explained away if you

2865
02:05:41,819 --> 02:05:39,760
want to believe it's far now wait but if

2866
02:05:44,879 --> 02:05:41,829
you if you all the people that have met

2867
02:05:46,979 --> 02:05:44,889
Mothman I haven't met one that said oh I

2868
02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:46,989
saw barn owl in the story they've all

2869
02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:49,420
said no I saw this thing it was half man

2870
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:52,210
half bird and it haunted my dreams for

2871
02:05:58,200 --> 02:05:54,610
years or it saved me saved my kid's

2872
02:06:01,500 --> 02:05:58,210
lives in one case Mothman told this lady

2873
02:06:03,419 --> 02:06:01,510
or she got a feeling and from having

2874
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:03,429
experienced him there carried on and

2875
02:06:06,450 --> 02:06:05,050
gave her psychic powers and she took her

2876
02:06:07,620 --> 02:06:06,460
kids off the school bus and her kids it

2877
02:06:09,209 --> 02:06:07,630
didn't get killed when the school bus

2878
02:06:11,339 --> 02:06:09,219
crashed I mean there's lots of great

2879
02:06:13,859 --> 02:06:11,349
stories where people feel like Mothman

2880
02:06:16,589 --> 02:06:13,869
actually helped them and there's a weird

2881
02:06:19,620 --> 02:06:16,599
story that has not gotten any publicity

2882
02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:19,630
that I recently found where Barker he

2883
02:06:24,330 --> 02:06:21,810
names names he says these three boys

2884
02:06:26,459 --> 02:06:24,340
formally on West Virginia was his very

2885
02:06:28,290 --> 02:06:26,469
near Point Pleasant were hunting and

2886
02:06:30,330 --> 02:06:28,300
they trapped Mothman in a barn they

2887
02:06:33,479 --> 02:06:30,340
thought they had trapped him they go in

2888
02:06:36,319 --> 02:06:33,489
there they see the Birdman one of the

2889
02:06:39,959 --> 02:06:36,329
lead guy has a gun trained on Mothman

2890
02:06:40,530 --> 02:06:39,969
suddenly he drops his gun he goes into a

2891
02:06:42,990 --> 02:06:40,540
trance

2892
02:06:44,910 --> 02:06:43,000
he gives Mothman his hunting jacket

2893
02:06:48,209 --> 02:06:44,920
which is just sent from his estranged

2894
02:06:50,580 --> 02:06:48,219
father in Florida he lays those jacket

2895
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:50,590
down in front of Mothman Mothman changes

2896
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:51,250
into a

2897
02:06:57,810 --> 02:06:55,210
boy his own age who's crying and it's

2898
02:07:00,750 --> 02:06:57,820
golden in color and he's crying golden

2899
02:07:03,900 --> 02:07:00,760
tears and it's like Mothman projected

2900
02:07:06,450 --> 02:07:03,910
into this boy's mind a vision of himself

2901
02:07:08,340 --> 02:07:06,460
his interstate was revealed to himself

2902
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:08,350
and this is what the Garuda and

2903
02:07:12,630 --> 02:07:10,690
Thunderbird do you know if your

2904
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:12,640
Thunderbird witness and the native lore

2905
02:07:16,860 --> 02:07:14,610
you become a shaman you become a healer

2906
02:07:19,710 --> 02:07:16,870
who's gonna be blessed with great wealth

2907
02:07:22,380 --> 02:07:19,720
you're going to be given insight psychic

2908
02:07:24,630 --> 02:07:22,390
insight and this is how it happens it's

2909
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:24,640
like you whether or not there's really a

2910
02:07:29,310 --> 02:07:26,770
bird sitting there for bird man who

2911
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:29,320
knows but the human mind the human mind

2912
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:31,930
is a strange thing and you interpret it

2913
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:33,490
as a bird man and then it can actually

2914
02:07:37,980 --> 02:07:35,920
change into other other things right

2915
02:07:40,410 --> 02:07:37,990
before your eyes what is that I don't

2916
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:40,420
know but it's a fascinating topic and it

2917
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:44,010
seems to have a lot of benefits and

2918
02:07:48,380 --> 02:07:46,690
alchemical benefits you might say which

2919
02:07:50,700 --> 02:07:48,390
would make it the kind of thing that

2920
02:07:52,740 --> 02:07:50,710
like the et thesis they would want to

2921
02:07:54,510 --> 02:07:52,750
come up with an alternate story to keep

2922
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so there's some pretty good anecdotal

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listeners and getting answers from our

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guest Andrew Colvin on the podcast when

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we broke we gave that inevitable

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cliffhanger we're so famous for in the

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parrot cast Chris you're going to ask a

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question couple of questions I've got

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several here from from one of our

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posters have you ever managed to find

3052
02:13:17,939 --> 02:13:14,710
any further information on Mothman

3053
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:17,949
suppose it pension for blood and he

3054
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mentions the blood collection vehicle

3055
02:13:25,709 --> 02:13:23,889
chase incident and also he also mentions

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the fact that some of the female

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witnesses were menstruating at the time

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yeah that's a good question that is that

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is a creepy possibility like what was

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that all about

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and I mean one thing it could be if

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keeping would sometimes you know you

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have a line of reasoning and you want it

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to be so so you kind of try to look for

3065
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an explanation that'll fit it and other

3066
02:14:03,419 --> 02:13:59,710
than him being a vampire maybe maybe the

3067
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bloodmobile maybe the Red Cross if that

3068
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:05,860
was a Red Cross I think it was the Red

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Cross has long been known as being a CIA

3070
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front so maybe that's part excuse me the

3071
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Red Cross has long haul now as a CIA

3072
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front let me change it it's not a CIA

3073
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front it's infiltrated let's put it that

3074
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way

3075
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and yeah relief organizations are often

3076
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infiltrated like World Vision ISM is you

3077
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know Hinckley includes dad the guy that

3078
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shot Reagan his dad was president of

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World Vision and there's tons of

3080
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evidence that they were involved in

3081
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things like Jonestown maybe even

3082
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Jonestown by the way the people from

3083
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Jonestown were also from my hometown as

3084
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was Charles Manson and Sarah Jane Moore

3085
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who both lived on my street so there's a

3086
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lot of spooky stuff

3087
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going on there that does tie into my

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control opps strange things like this

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02:15:04,669 --> 02:15:01,919
you know the SLA which Sara Jane Moore

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was involved in assassinations too

3091
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because two of Manson's ladies more and

3092
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from beau tried to take out Ford which

3093
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would have put Nelson Rockefeller and

3094
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the presidency squeaky squeak Sarah Jane

3095
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was actually you know dated or what's

3096
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good friends with Manson when they were

3097
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living together living on Woodward Drive

3098
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in the guess it was whenever that was

3099
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the 40s or during the war yeah the 50 is

3100
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probably Korean War I would think I'm a

3101
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and Manson is from your town you

3102
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mentioned right yeah he's from my street

3103
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and actually I think he burned down your

3104
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street even I didn't I was he ever hired

3105
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me your babysitter no when you were kid

3106
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what yeah I hope he wasn't hired to be a

3107
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babysitter when you were a kid well no

3108
02:16:03,020 --> 02:15:59,429
but but the Fisher family who's friends

3109
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with my my mother's side in West

3110
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Virginia knows they took care of Manson

3111
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when his mom was put in prison and I do

3112
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think he probably burnt that school down

3113
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where Mothman was seen so many times I

3114
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think that was Manson because he later

3115
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burn a school down in Indiana my

3116
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goodness the plot gets thicker and

3117
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thicker here it's a crazy story I keep

3118
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telling people you know this is like is

3119
02:16:30,949 --> 02:16:28,260
this is bigger than bigger than Fatima

3120
02:16:33,109 --> 02:16:30,959
maybe look it's just too bizarre and

3121
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that's one can make driving it kept me

3122
02:16:40,309 --> 02:16:37,099
going it's the too many strange things

3123
02:16:42,799 --> 02:16:40,319
it's just it's the biggest story around

3124
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:42,809
I think well here's another interesting

3125
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question from fascist card in he's

3126
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always he always comes up with very

3127
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insightful questions and he says since

3128
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the Point Pleasant Mothman sightings

3129
02:16:58,639 --> 02:16:55,830
will actually no let me skip to this one

3130
02:17:01,969 --> 02:16:58,649
how contaminated is the so-called TNT

3131
02:17:03,769 --> 02:17:01,979
area and could possibly toxic materials

3132
02:17:05,419 --> 02:17:03,779
be really related to sightings in the

3133
02:17:06,530 --> 02:17:05,429
area both through mutated wildlife

3134
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:06,540
possibly

3135
02:17:10,070 --> 02:17:08,370
or contamination of the witnesses

3136
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:10,080
themselves that could have some sort of

3137
02:17:15,890 --> 02:17:12,240
effect on their perceptions it's a good

3138
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question I think that's another one of

3139
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those stories it's turn out to distract

3140
02:17:23,240 --> 02:17:20,790
people that there's some mutant Mothman

3141
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it's a mutant animal because there's no

3142
02:17:30,200 --> 02:17:27,980
evidence scientifically that radiation

3143
02:17:35,390 --> 02:17:30,210
causes or something like that what

3144
02:17:38,089 --> 02:17:35,400
caused a a mammal or whatever to get

3145
02:17:40,610 --> 02:17:38,099
bigger it might you know might deform it

3146
02:17:43,060 --> 02:17:40,620
but it's not it's not going to make it

3147
02:17:48,049 --> 02:17:43,070
be bigger and then fly around and

3148
02:17:49,700 --> 02:17:48,059
perhaps and and seemingly go against the

3149
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:49,710
laws of physics because there's no way

3150
02:17:55,580 --> 02:17:53,280
that a creature you know six seven foot

3151
02:17:58,160 --> 02:17:55,590
tall man with wings that are only ten

3152
02:18:00,379 --> 02:17:58,170
you know six feet on each side could fly

3153
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:00,389
and he doesn't even flap its wings

3154
02:18:04,430 --> 02:18:02,370
what do you fly yeah that's the strange

3155
02:18:06,049 --> 02:18:04,440
part of it there's never I don't think

3156
02:18:07,879 --> 02:18:06,059
it's ever been reported as flapping its

3157
02:18:11,570 --> 02:18:07,889
wings it's almost like they're they're

3158
02:18:14,890 --> 02:18:11,580
fixed wings yeah I might you know could

3159
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:14,900
be if you want to look for a prosaic

3160
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:16,800
explanation it could be a hologram but

3161
02:18:24,129 --> 02:18:19,920
I'm not sure that Holograms were around

3162
02:18:26,750 --> 02:18:24,139
in 1961 when we had our first sighting

3163
02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:26,760
well as is speaking of Holograms has

3164
02:18:31,490 --> 02:18:29,370
this is another question from fascist

3165
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:31,500
Garden has Mothman ever been

3166
02:18:36,740 --> 02:18:34,530
photographed or has anyone ever claimed

3167
02:18:39,470 --> 02:18:36,750
besides the boys in the barn to have

3168
02:18:44,540 --> 02:18:39,480
them corner or possibly even near to

3169
02:18:46,910 --> 02:18:44,550
capture well the only one that seems

3170
02:18:48,589 --> 02:18:46,920
credible well I don't that one over the

3171
02:18:50,690 --> 02:18:48,599
World Trade Center looks pretty it looks

3172
02:18:53,570 --> 02:18:50,700
like something a Birdman or something

3173
02:18:56,900 --> 02:18:53,580
like that but we haven't been able to

3174
02:18:59,750 --> 02:18:56,910
find the photographer to really you know

3175
02:19:02,600 --> 02:18:59,760
check to verify it the picture that we

3176
02:19:05,299 --> 02:19:02,610
have that my sister took from the 73 is

3177
02:19:08,360 --> 02:19:05,309
the best thing we have so far and it

3178
02:19:10,610 --> 02:19:08,370
does look remarkably like Garuda masks

3179
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and and Thunderbird masks that I found

3180
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examples that sense and the way it came

3181
02:19:18,799 --> 02:19:16,260
about was very odd you know I was just

3182
02:19:20,270 --> 02:19:18,809
looking at a bunch of random photos that

3183
02:19:22,640 --> 02:19:20,280
my sister had sent to me

3184
02:19:24,410 --> 02:19:22,650
and my son who wasn't even three yet

3185
02:19:27,640 --> 02:19:24,420
points right to the window and says

3186
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:27,650
Garuda I don't think I had ever

3187
02:19:33,410 --> 02:19:31,679
mentioned Garuda to him I've often joked

3188
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:33,420
that I thought he was like a

3189
02:19:38,390 --> 02:19:35,250
reincarnated monk or something because

3190
02:19:40,190 --> 02:19:38,400
of the way his birth happened and

3191
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:40,200
everything I used to be a Buddhist

3192
02:19:46,190 --> 02:19:44,610
priest for a short time so you know

3193
02:19:47,180 --> 02:19:46,200
that's something I can relate to or

3194
02:19:50,090 --> 02:19:47,190
whatever but I had this weird dream

3195
02:19:52,250 --> 02:19:50,100
before he was born that he was a monk in

3196
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:52,260
a pre in his previous life and so maybe

3197
02:19:57,680 --> 02:19:54,240
you know something came through him and

3198
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:57,690
he was led to say that something very

3199
02:20:01,970 --> 02:19:59,760
odd happened there and then we looked at

3200
02:20:05,930 --> 02:20:01,980
that face in the window I blew it up and

3201
02:20:07,730 --> 02:20:05,940
and look for examples of it and sure

3202
02:20:10,910 --> 02:20:07,740
enough it does look very close to a

3203
02:20:12,740 --> 02:20:10,920
Garuda the face of a girl that's all you

3204
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:12,750
can see is the face and we had about

3205
02:20:19,130 --> 02:20:16,170
three different photos since then that

3206
02:20:21,740 --> 02:20:19,140
have surfaced of you have gray aliens

3207
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:21,750
and things looking in through the panes

3208
02:20:28,700 --> 02:20:25,680
of windows you know almost as if they

3209
02:20:31,430 --> 02:20:28,710
ran took that idea and ran with it but

3210
02:20:33,950 --> 02:20:31,440
mind just not nothing not parody Lia

3211
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:33,960
you're not just seeing you know human

3212
02:20:41,420 --> 02:20:37,290
human forms and in inches light and

3213
02:20:42,980 --> 02:20:41,430
shadow or you know it could be that it

3214
02:20:44,930 --> 02:20:42,990
definitely definitely could be that but

3215
02:20:49,070 --> 02:20:44,940
but the fact that my son said Garuda

3216
02:20:51,380 --> 02:20:49,080
like that is very unusual and that is

3217
02:20:53,330 --> 02:20:51,390
strange especially even just a symbol

3218
02:20:55,640 --> 02:20:53,340
yeah even just as a symbol even if it is

3219
02:20:58,040 --> 02:20:55,650
just light and shadow I mean everything

3220
02:21:00,260 --> 02:20:58,050
is like shadow that we're seeing but you

3221
02:21:02,870 --> 02:21:00,270
know it could be symbolically meaningful

3222
02:21:04,340 --> 02:21:02,880
if it's not a real Garuda but we I can

3223
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:04,350
tell you that I had nightmares about

3224
02:21:08,420 --> 02:21:06,930
that window all my life and I would

3225
02:21:11,960 --> 02:21:08,430
always be sticking my head out and

3226
02:21:16,340 --> 02:21:11,970
seeing a Bigfoot and finally it changed

3227
02:21:18,740 --> 02:21:16,350
into a dog after when I was in my 30s

3228
02:21:19,880 --> 02:21:18,750
and then I was telling my sister about

3229
02:21:22,090 --> 02:21:19,890
and she goes well I've had dreams with

3230
02:21:24,440 --> 02:21:22,100
that same thing outside the same window

3231
02:21:26,890 --> 02:21:24,450
you would stick your head out and see a

3232
02:21:29,530 --> 02:21:26,900
Bigfoot how many times

3233
02:21:31,511 --> 02:21:29,540
did this happen there's no telling how

3234
02:21:33,791 --> 02:21:31,521
many times I dreamed about that many

3235
02:21:35,711 --> 02:21:33,801
many many times and my it was like the

3236
02:21:37,270 --> 02:21:35,721
scariest dream I could have other than I

3237
02:21:39,660 --> 02:21:37,280
had another one about a man in black

3238
02:21:43,001 --> 02:21:39,670
coming up the stairs to the front door

3239
02:21:45,700 --> 02:21:43,011
and it's possible that my dad was

3240
02:21:47,980 --> 02:21:45,710
murdered by man in black because of the

3241
02:21:49,871 --> 02:21:47,990
way he died getting cancer at such a

3242
02:21:51,341 --> 02:21:49,881
young age and saying that he had been

3243
02:21:55,211 --> 02:21:51,351
jabbed in the back in the mill denied

3244
02:21:57,730 --> 02:21:55,221
excuse me this is fascinating I'm sorry

3245
02:21:59,860 --> 02:21:57,740
even raise the subject because I realize

3246
02:22:01,990 --> 02:21:59,870
it could be very painful for you but

3247
02:22:03,850 --> 02:22:02,000
having raised a subject let's leave the

3248
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:03,860
cliffhanger for our final segment

3249
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:05,450
because I think all of our listeners

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want to know about this the book is

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called the Mothman speaks by Andrew

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Colvin he's going to tell us in our

3253
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final segment of the episode about the

3254
02:22:18,190 --> 02:22:16,280
death of his dad and what might have

3255
02:22:20,740 --> 02:22:18,200
been strange or mysterious about it I'm

3256
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gene Steinberg Chris O'Brien is the

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listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio this is the

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cliffhanger I hate to have left with the

3335
02:27:01,300 --> 02:26:58,760
show with Andrew Colvin with gene and

3336
02:27:04,690 --> 02:27:01,310
Chris and the power cast to tell me this

3337
02:27:08,380 --> 02:27:04,700
story Andrew well he worked at carbide

3338
02:27:12,099 --> 02:27:08,390
and he had they were having a strike

3339
02:27:16,150 --> 02:27:12,109
around the time of Mothman and I think

3340
02:27:18,730 --> 02:27:16,160
so many enemies were made he was Italian

3341
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:18,740
he was from New York he wasn't from West

3342
02:27:26,429 --> 02:27:22,490
Virginia he was an outsider he they

3343
02:27:29,500 --> 02:27:26,439
called him you know and things and

3344
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:29,510
so I think and and it's possible you

3345
02:27:35,530 --> 02:27:31,850
know it's possible he was working for

3346
02:27:39,309 --> 02:27:35,540
disc himself I don't know he was Navy he

3347
02:27:42,880 --> 02:27:39,319
worked he was a Navy jet mechanic like

3348
02:27:46,420 --> 02:27:42,890
Jack Ruby had been he was on the ship

3349
02:27:49,420 --> 02:27:46,430
the Roosevelt which later cited UFOs in

3350
02:27:51,639 --> 02:27:49,430
1952 he was in Norfolk during the

3351
02:27:52,630 --> 02:27:51,649
Philadelphia Experiment he was working

3352
02:27:54,700 --> 02:27:52,640
at the National Bureau of Standards

3353
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:54,710
which today as the Harry diamond labs

3354
02:28:02,380 --> 02:27:58,960
which does you know exotic satellite

3355
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:02,390
craft type of work lasers that sort of

3356
02:28:07,420 --> 02:28:04,010
thing and the link open about seven

3357
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:07,430
questions here in every response does he

3358
02:28:11,290 --> 02:28:09,050
have any person or did he have any

3359
02:28:13,870 --> 02:28:11,300
personal knowledge of the Philadelphia

3360
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:13,880
Experiment repeated to involve tests of

3361
02:28:18,099 --> 02:28:16,250
invisibility in World War two he was

3362
02:28:21,190 --> 02:28:18,109
very I didn't even know to ask him that

3363
02:28:24,400 --> 02:28:21,200
question well after he was dead and my

3364
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:24,410
mom remarried then my stepdad said well

3365
02:28:29,260 --> 02:28:26,810
we've been seeing guys running on fire

3366
02:28:30,460 --> 02:28:29,270
and disappearing at the DuPont plant

3367
02:28:32,260 --> 02:28:30,470
which is where he worked

3368
02:28:33,790 --> 02:28:32,270
and I'm like well that sounds like a

3369
02:28:34,840 --> 02:28:33,800
ghost or something and get said well we

3370
02:28:37,240 --> 02:28:34,850
don't know what it was but he was

3371
02:28:39,610 --> 02:28:37,250
terrified and he'd seen it he'd seen it

3372
02:28:41,770 --> 02:28:39,620
more than once and I talked to other men

3373
02:28:43,960 --> 02:28:41,780
there because I worked there one year

3374
02:28:45,820 --> 02:28:43,970
summer job whatever and other guys had

3375
02:28:48,010 --> 02:28:45,830
seen it and I was interested in ghost

3376
02:28:49,750 --> 02:28:48,020
stories so I took note of that and then

3377
02:28:50,530 --> 02:28:49,760
later I found out that this is what was

3378
02:28:52,370 --> 02:28:50,540
supposed to have happened to

3379
02:28:55,219 --> 02:28:52,380
Philadelphia Experiment veterans

3380
02:28:57,860 --> 02:28:55,229
would catch on fire and disappear now

3381
02:29:00,740 --> 02:28:57,870
could be that they were just being shot

3382
02:29:03,679 --> 02:29:00,750
with lasers testing laser guns was

3383
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:03,689
supposed to have started in the late 60s

3384
02:29:09,080 --> 02:29:06,410
so maybe they were taking out labor

3385
02:29:11,179 --> 02:29:09,090
troublemakers you know and again I don't

3386
02:29:12,830 --> 02:29:11,189
know if my dad was actually I know he

3387
02:29:14,900 --> 02:29:12,840
was in the Union I know he seemed to be

3388
02:29:16,969 --> 02:29:14,910
an activist I don't know if he was

3389
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:16,979
infiltrating on behalf of the government

3390
02:29:22,880 --> 02:29:20,010
or not but he appeared to be an activist

3391
02:29:26,450 --> 02:29:22,890
and it could be that that they wanted to

3392
02:29:29,240 --> 02:29:26,460
take him out and they may have used what

3393
02:29:31,610 --> 02:29:29,250
Jack Ruby said was being used that he

3394
02:29:33,139 --> 02:29:31,620
had been stuck with a cancer needle and

3395
02:29:35,900 --> 02:29:33,149
this is the whole backstory to the

3396
02:29:38,660 --> 02:29:35,910
Judith Baker angles on the JFK cases

3397
02:29:40,760 --> 02:29:38,670
that Oswald was infiltrating that she

3398
02:29:44,719 --> 02:29:40,770
had actually worked on militarizing

3399
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:44,729
weaponizing cancer to be used on Castro

3400
02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:47,610
but then the coup plotters turned it

3401
02:29:51,710 --> 02:29:49,530
around and used it against all the JFK

3402
02:29:54,110 --> 02:29:51,720
witnesses so a lot of those died with of

3403
02:29:57,050 --> 02:29:54,120
cancer after the assassination so we can

3404
02:29:59,719 --> 02:29:57,060
inject cancer like a poison you just

3405
02:30:02,090 --> 02:29:59,729
simply take the cancer substance

3406
02:30:04,190 --> 02:30:02,100
injected and in a short period of time

3407
02:30:06,740 --> 02:30:04,200
you're dead yes there was a needle

3408
02:30:09,860 --> 02:30:06,750
sticking out of our car of drivers feet

3409
02:30:12,860 --> 02:30:09,870
or there was a wire like a the spring

3410
02:30:15,710 --> 02:30:12,870
had stuck up through the seat and I and

3411
02:30:18,440 --> 02:30:15,720
I sat in there and it stuck me after my

3412
02:30:20,719 --> 02:30:18,450
dad maybe it died I can't remember the

3413
02:30:22,670 --> 02:30:20,729
exact date but I later was diagnosed

3414
02:30:24,710 --> 02:30:22,680
with something very similar to leukemia

3415
02:30:28,429 --> 02:30:24,720
I had very high white blood cell count

3416
02:30:30,290 --> 02:30:28,439
when I was 17 so after a few years it

3417
02:30:32,600 --> 02:30:30,300
had developed into something but I

3418
02:30:35,540 --> 02:30:32,610
survived but I think he was probably

3419
02:30:37,070 --> 02:30:35,550
stuck on the leg this is I've heard in

3420
02:30:38,570 --> 02:30:37,080
other places that this is you know what

3421
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:38,580
they would do they would put a needle in

3422
02:30:43,130 --> 02:30:40,080
your seat of your cars and it wouldn't

3423
02:30:45,230 --> 02:30:43,140
ever suspect and my dad did have his

3424
02:30:47,270 --> 02:30:45,240
tumor on the inside of his leg right

3425
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:47,280
there Reese it and then after they took

3426
02:30:50,719 --> 02:30:48,090
that one out

3427
02:30:53,060 --> 02:30:50,729
he was jad he in the middle of a night

3428
02:30:54,530 --> 02:30:53,070
said he'd been jabbed felt like you then

3429
02:30:57,050 --> 02:30:54,540
jab in the back and then you got a tumor

3430
02:30:59,300 --> 02:30:57,060
there and died so of course you can't

3431
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:59,310
prove this unfortunately you can find

3432
02:31:03,170 --> 02:31:00,720
out who murdered your father

3433
02:31:04,210 --> 02:31:03,180
right but the timing of it does seem to

3434
02:31:06,639 --> 02:31:04,220
KO cone

3435
02:31:09,130 --> 02:31:06,649
side with Nixon's opening up the Bible

3436
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:09,140
weapons lab at Fort Detrick what's a 71

3437
02:31:14,910 --> 02:31:12,170
or maybe 70 but you know so right around

3438
02:31:18,639 --> 02:31:14,920
that same time but the military started

3439
02:31:20,469 --> 02:31:18,649
doing this well the Army chemical Corps

3440
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:20,479
I'd been the army chemical Corps had

3441
02:31:23,979 --> 02:31:22,010
been working in that facility for

3442
02:31:28,570 --> 02:31:23,989
decades at that point good old Sidney

3443
02:31:30,580 --> 02:31:28,580
Gottlieb in in his group we're gonna

3444
02:31:33,190 --> 02:31:30,590
have to have you back in and you this is

3445
02:31:35,290 --> 02:31:33,200
I mean we've opened up enough material

3446
02:31:40,269 --> 02:31:35,300
here to follow up on a number of shows

3447
02:31:42,880 --> 02:31:40,279
and you know I must say I'm I'm a little

3448
02:31:44,880 --> 02:31:42,890
bit kind of pushed back on my seat here

3449
02:31:47,110 --> 02:31:44,890
by a lot of what I've been hearing and

3450
02:31:49,780 --> 02:31:47,120
there's just too much of it

3451
02:31:52,660 --> 02:31:49,790
piling you know one coincidence on top

3452
02:31:54,849 --> 02:31:52,670
of another synchronistically to to just

3453
02:31:56,440 --> 02:31:54,859
discount at all as the musings of

3454
02:31:59,170 --> 02:31:56,450
someone that's looking for connections

3455
02:32:01,269 --> 02:31:59,180
where they don't belong this is

3456
02:32:03,219 --> 02:32:01,279
absolutely fascinating and I want to

3457
02:32:04,690 --> 02:32:03,229
thank you again for being on the show my

3458
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:04,700
guy I can't wait to have you back so we

3459
02:32:10,990 --> 02:32:07,040
can dive more fully into some of these

3460
02:32:14,679 --> 02:32:11,000
areas at you that you've kind of taken a

3461
02:32:18,460 --> 02:32:14,689
lid off of yeah that's why the books are

3462
02:32:20,740 --> 02:32:18,470
like 500 pages you so much enough

3463
02:32:22,840 --> 02:32:20,750
to cover well I've got one last question

3464
02:32:24,790 --> 02:32:22,850
and you did mention an interesting

3465
02:32:27,880 --> 02:32:24,800
photograph taken I guess over the World

3466
02:32:30,130 --> 02:32:27,890
Trade Center and I have one last

3467
02:32:31,510 --> 02:32:30,140
question that is Mothman sightings have

3468
02:32:33,570 --> 02:32:31,520
been considered by some as a gnome and

3469
02:32:36,250 --> 02:32:33,580
because of the Silver Bridge collapse

3470
02:32:38,110 --> 02:32:36,260
has this creature or something similar

3471
02:32:39,790 --> 02:32:38,120
been seen before the catastrophes and

3472
02:32:42,040 --> 02:32:39,800
other locations around the world and if

3473
02:32:44,979 --> 02:32:42,050
so when you mentioned Fukushima now I

3474
02:32:47,710 --> 02:32:44,989
wasn't aware that a flying humanoid type

3475
02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:47,720
was seen you know in that particular

3476
02:32:55,150 --> 02:32:51,290
scenario yeah yeah in Chernobyl as well

3477
02:32:56,979 --> 02:32:55,160
and I and who knows if those are real or

3478
02:32:59,500 --> 02:32:56,989
made-up but I can but nobody's come

3479
02:33:01,479 --> 02:32:59,510
forward to take to try to take advantage

3480
02:33:03,940 --> 02:33:01,489
of those stories they're out there

3481
02:33:05,380 --> 02:33:03,950
they've been printed but nobody's trying

3482
02:33:07,150 --> 02:33:05,390
to go in on the lecture circuit to take

3483
02:33:09,010 --> 02:33:07,160
advantage of it so it makes you wonder

3484
02:33:11,500 --> 02:33:09,020
why would why would somebody make it up

3485
02:33:12,820 --> 02:33:11,510
and then not do anything with it so it

3486
02:33:16,491 --> 02:33:12,830
makes me kind of think that they're

3487
02:33:18,501 --> 02:33:16,501
actually real and also at the 9/11 thing

3488
02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:18,511
or the others other people that saw him

3489
02:33:24,441 --> 02:33:21,690
often and a 9-1-1 - so it makes you

3490
02:33:26,661 --> 02:33:24,451
wonder that they might not be real real

3491
02:33:28,191 --> 02:33:26,671
sightings and and I think Mothman

3492
02:33:31,480 --> 02:33:28,201
probably does have a particular interest

3493
02:33:33,861 --> 02:33:31,490
in nuclear stuff because the Garuda

3494
02:33:36,761 --> 02:33:33,871
traditionally carries a Vishnu on his

3495
02:33:41,901 --> 02:33:36,771
back Vishnu the preserver of the world

3496
02:33:45,381 --> 02:33:41,911
so if you believe in this ancient stuff

3497
02:33:50,890 --> 02:33:45,391
that would nuclear devastation would be

3498
02:33:53,451 --> 02:33:50,900
a primary a primary thing that a

3499
02:33:56,361 --> 02:33:53,461
archetypal protector being would want to

3500
02:33:58,640 --> 02:33:56,371
keep us abreast of and make us warn us

3501
02:34:00,051 --> 02:33:58,650
about because that's probably the most

3502
02:34:00,350 --> 02:34:00,061
dangerous thing we've got going right

3503
02:34:03,441 --> 02:34:00,360
now

3504
02:34:06,501 --> 02:34:03,451
I think nuclear there's there's probably

3505
02:34:10,341 --> 02:34:06,511
stuff falling here in Seattle right now

3506
02:34:12,621 --> 02:34:10,351
that's hot particles are definitely I

3507
02:34:15,711 --> 02:34:12,631
think just if you live in Seattle you're

3508
02:34:18,470 --> 02:34:15,721
breathing in about five per day oh my

3509
02:34:21,111 --> 02:34:18,480
goodness hot particles of radioactive

3510
02:34:23,180 --> 02:34:21,121
material well of course the name Union

3511
02:34:25,911 --> 02:34:23,190
Carbide eeeh you automatically remember

3512
02:34:27,741 --> 02:34:25,921
the the horrific Bhopal incident I

3513
02:34:31,131 --> 02:34:27,751
wonder if there been if there were any

3514
02:34:33,201 --> 02:34:31,141
Garuda sightings around the the Union

3515
02:34:35,151 --> 02:34:33,211
Carbide disaster in Bhopal India I

3516
02:34:37,251 --> 02:34:35,161
haven't heard of any but you'd think

3517
02:34:38,631 --> 02:34:37,261
that I suppose the Garuda that there

3518
02:34:39,890 --> 02:34:38,641
would be some out there that's an

3519
02:34:42,111 --> 02:34:39,900
interesting angle I've never really

3520
02:34:44,241 --> 02:34:42,121
looked into I do know that recently

3521
02:34:46,401 --> 02:34:44,251
we've heard that Michelle Obama worked

3522
02:34:50,331 --> 02:34:46,411
for the law firm that tried to the

3523
02:34:55,281 --> 02:34:50,341
represented carbide in that case mama

3524
02:34:57,350 --> 02:34:55,291
Obama obviously has is beholden to the

3525
02:34:59,241 --> 02:34:57,360
nuclear power industry to some degree I

3526
02:35:01,191 --> 02:34:59,251
haven't really gotten into that too much

3527
02:35:02,841 --> 02:35:01,201
and studied up on it but I've heard from

3528
02:35:07,761 --> 02:35:02,851
their you know different sources that he

3529
02:35:10,761 --> 02:35:07,771
is you know really proto nuclear and

3530
02:35:13,911 --> 02:35:10,771
that's not a good thing I don't see how

3531
02:35:15,770 --> 02:35:13,921
this can go anywhere good with these

3532
02:35:18,111 --> 02:35:15,780
plants that are deteriorating and are

3533
02:35:19,611 --> 02:35:18,121
and can be inundated by floods because

3534
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:19,621
they're all located you know next to

3535
02:35:24,531 --> 02:35:22,530
rivers and with dams upstream and on

3536
02:35:25,881 --> 02:35:24,541
coastlines where you could tsunami can

3537
02:35:29,060 --> 02:35:25,891
come in I mean it's just crazy

3538
02:35:29,610 --> 02:35:29,070
yeah well certainly what they learned

3539
02:35:33,960 --> 02:35:29,620
and

3540
02:35:36,480 --> 02:35:33,970
much about what's going on with that

3541
02:35:38,730 --> 02:35:36,490
nuclear plant you know it got buried on

3542
02:35:41,310 --> 02:35:38,740
page 400 of the newspapers and they have

3543
02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:41,320
like 200 pages so you never see it and

3544
02:35:43,801 --> 02:35:42,970
it's blowing our way that's the thing

3545
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:43,811
uh-huh

3546
02:35:48,060 --> 02:35:46,000
well now they're burning all the the

3547
02:35:50,120 --> 02:35:48,070
radioactive material which is throwing

3548
02:35:52,801 --> 02:35:50,130
all this stuff I up into the atmosphere

3549
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:52,811
I'll tell you what before the network

3550
02:35:58,290 --> 02:35:54,880
goes high up into the atmosphere and

3551
02:36:00,210 --> 02:35:58,300
says get off now Andrew Colvin tell our

3552
02:36:03,990 --> 02:36:00,220
listeners where they can find more of

3553
02:36:06,990 --> 02:36:04,000
the things you do again fourteens West

3554
02:36:10,490 --> 02:36:07,000
comm and Facebook if you look for the

3555
02:36:13,950 --> 02:36:10,500
for the for the golden wings spread

3556
02:36:15,450 --> 02:36:13,960
emblem that's me there's a lot of

3557
02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:15,460
antique Holdings but I'm the one that

3558
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:19,530
looks like a bird man also had Mothman

3559
02:36:26,430 --> 02:36:23,290
9/11 a Gmail and that's just Mothman

3560
02:36:29,790 --> 02:36:26,440
9/11 with no no to what do you call that

3561
02:36:32,551 --> 02:36:29,800
flash without the flash okay without the

3562
02:36:35,070 --> 02:36:32,561
slash Chris O'Brien by the way has our

3563
02:36:38,490 --> 02:36:35,080
strange planet calm and he's also

3564
02:36:41,910 --> 02:36:38,500
promoting that new documentary of many

3565
02:36:44,250 --> 02:36:41,920
many DVDs about people talking about UFO

3566
02:36:47,070 --> 02:36:44,260
disclosure check it out our strange

3567
02:36:48,841 --> 02:36:47,080
planet calm for me and Chris - Andrew

3568
02:36:51,841 --> 02:36:48,851
Colvin thanks for joining us this week

3569
02:36:57,990 --> 02:36:51,851
on the fara cast thanks for having me

3570
02:37:04,390 --> 02:37:01,480
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3571
02:37:07,380 --> 02:37:04,400
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3572
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:07,390
presentation of making the impossible